10x8 colour

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  1. livemoa

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    OK, I have a project in mind that means I might just sucumb to the garish charms of colour..... This is after saying I would never shot colour again....

    I want to do this on 10x8, will do some experiments in 5x4 first but any suggestions for a rich but not to over the top colour film (neg or tranny)?
     
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    Ektachrome 64T (EPY) is, in my always humble and unbiased opinion, the best product Kodak makes. It has as long a scale as Tri-X, no trace of the harshness so prevalent in most chrome films, and perfect color balance. The chromes you get with it are beautiful in every way.
     
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    Is this an indoor or outdoor project?

    I've used Fuji Provia 100F on landscapes with my 8x10 and I'm happy with my results.
     
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    Good point, will mainly be indoors with natural light and maybe some fill flash from a soft box

     
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    I would use Fuji Provia 100F in that case, much more accurate colors. If you were doing outside landscapes then I would suggest Fuji Velvia 100F - the saturation isn't as high as the old 50, but, still good.
     
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    I'd also suggest Provia, David. Best, John
     
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    Well, did a ring around,

    Fuji supplier, minimum order, 20 Boxes!

    Kodak only has Portia 160 NC and that comes in on order, no minimum, which is good, but no idea as to how long it will take....

    Any one in Austraila know if I can get Provia in 10x8 sheet there?

    David


     
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    Try ordering from Calumet in the US or in the UK. The US site has Provia 8x10 (50 sheets) in stock, a bit pricy - $384.99 USD + shipping. The UK site has Provia 8x10 (10 sheets) in stock for £68.70 + shipping.
     
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    Might go down that track yet. Thanks for looking it up for me.

    Now, have you booked those NZ tickets yet... :smile:

     
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    Not yet. I got an email from Travelocity today, with airfares at $800, which is great, but only good through November. I can't possibly come before January - partly because I wouldn't have a job if I did. Hmm, wonder if they need programmers in NZ.
     
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    Yea, I think Februaury is "high season." It is the best time to come, weather is usually good and the roads and accomadation spots are generally some what less crowded. Not that our roads get that crowded outside of Auckland, ask John, Sean.
     
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    David, did you try Panavision in Freeman's Bay, Auckland?
    Not sure if JandC have colour 8x10 but, badgergraphic.com sell Kodak EPP by the single box of 50.
     
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    John, no havent tried Panavision, do they stock other than movie film?

    I think I am going to have to get the film via the states, which I have done before, was hopeing to support the local economy......

     
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    I've not actually used Panavision David, but I've been led to believe they stock professional Fuji films for distribution and sales to professionals. I normally buy frm the States. But PV could be worth a try if you're are in a hurry.
    best, John
     
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    Portra 400 nc is nice in 8x10 and the extra speed comes in pretty handy especially if you ever do portraits with available light.

    It works best around EI 200-250.

    I live in Melbourne, Australia & get it in from B&H this takes about 3 days with UPS global express Total cost with postage for 10 sheets is about $150AUD.
     
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    Fuji NPS is in my experience a very good film for landscape and portraits if you like "real" colors. Most of the transparency films will give "push up" rendition of colors and the corrections you could do will be after scanning. If you work with a good laboratory you can work on the contacts giving your taste in the filtration of colors. Rate NPS at 100 iso. Hope this helps.
    Daniele
     
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    How do you plan on making the final prints? This will have a great affect on which film will be most successful.

    I shoot a lot of 4x5 Provia because it comes in ready loads. I also shoot a lot of Portra. Transparency films are hardly neutral in color. They ALL have a color bias of some type. The trick is finding the one that has a color bias YOU like.

    Negative films are far better for true color rendition. The Portra films are some of the best films going. Although really meant for portrait work with flash, I do shoot them outdoors with great success. For a mix of daylight & strobe Portra 160 would be hard to beat.

    Provia accentuates blues & greens in any scene. Not garish like Velvia but hardly neutral or accurate. This would be especially true with sky light coming through a window as fill. I shoot Provia with an 81A filter to tame the blue/green bias. If you try Provia, I would suggest testing it with an 81A filter.

    Also, Provia is a bit like shooting Kodachrome. You have to be right on the money with the exposure. Shadows will block quickly on under exposure and highlights blow out with just a bit of over exposure. A rather difficult film to shoot. Look at the characteristic curve and you will see a very sharp toe & shoulder. That's why the grey scale compresses suddenly.

    Kodak E100G is a very nice film. Much longer scale than Provia and with a warmer rendering. I'd certainly consider that as a real contender for transparency film. I like it. I have 120 pro-packs in my camera case right now. Compare the characteristic curve of this film to Provia and you will see a huge difference in the toe & shoulder. Long, very gradual roll off so the grey scale compresses gradually.

    Kodak EPN Ektachrome 100 Professional colors seem muted and mushy to me -some people say "soft" and "delicate."

    Kodak EPR 64 is one of the all time "classic" transparency films - it just has that slight Ektachrome blue "tinge" (I can see it - other people don't). Not one of my favorites but about 1 zillion catalog photos and architectural photos have been take with it. Pretty forgiving on exposure.

    I'd test the contenders in roll film first for color rendition before even buying 4x5.
     
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    How about Fuji Sensia? I shoot primarily in Velvia F100, but have heard Sensia is fairly neutral.
     
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    Sensia only comes in 35mm. I rarely shoot 35mm so I don't use Sensia. The original question was about 8x10-inch sheet films. All of the films I discussed are available in 8x10.
     
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    By far my favourite film is Astia and/or Astia 100F

    in many circumstances, much more like a neg film that's actually a transparency film - if you see what I mean. More shadow and highlight detail than most other tranny films I've ever used. More subtle colours than Provia (which has to be the ugliest film out there), but not the "washed" out look I get from the E100 films. Available in 10 and 50 sheet boxes for 8x10 I think
     
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    Thanks for all the advice everyone.

    As to final output, I am trying three options, Ciba/Ilfochromes, Lambda or backlit. Yet to decide.

    Have bought a bunch of 120 roll films (neg and tranny) and will shot a few rolls of my proposed subject.

    Let you know when I get closer to what I want to do
     
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    Hi David,

    Don't know how far into your project you are now, but another (local) supplier I meant to mention, (if you don't have time to use J and C), is:
    H E Perry Ltd, 10 Minnie St, Newton, Auck. 0800 103 388. They would be better than Panavision that I mentioned previously, for what you are after.
    Best, John