1st velvia 50 for 4x5... :-)

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  1. Dan's45

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    just my first pack of velvia 50 iso in mail. when these come back,are they like every other slide film-in that they come back mounted? just curious. i haven't heard alot of talk about velvia here...is this like dutch elm disease or something?? i live in washington state and velvia works wonders here. as when i lived in texas all i used was koda. 64 does anyone have any pictures taken with velvia sheet film 4x5, or larger? i also heard that it really hard to get pictures from trans. film in large format, anyone know why this is?? anyway, hope to hear something about this. until then...take care!!
     
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    Hmm just interest but what about Dutch Elm disease? We have it here (in Holland) but is it something you don't like talking about?
     
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    Dear SinarF1user,

    Your velvia will be returned unmounted. (Although there are 4x5 projectors out there for a really impressive "slide show".) You should have no trouble getting prints made. The film will likely be drum scanned and printed on an ink-jet or RA-4 digital printer. (There are, of course, other types of scanners and printers as well as Ilfochrome.)

    Dutch Elm disease was the talk of the town in Chicago when I was a little kid. They had to cut down an awful lot of them (Elm trees that is.<g>). Mostly Maple trees now.

    Neal Wydra
     
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    Ah... Well they still cut down a lot of Elm trees here every year, so many that I'm actually kind of surprised when I walk into a bunch of them... Hmm, 4x5 projected Velvia, that must be stunning :smile: Maybe you could should some elm trees?
     
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    Dutch Elm disease...man, I haven't heard anybody talk about that in 30 years. I remember it sweeping through Minnesota nad Wisconsin when I was a kid.

    Slide film in 4x5: I came to 4x5 almnost directly from 35mm so, the big color slides just blew me away even without a projector. I hear that one can still get a "real" print from a slide using the Ilfochrome process and materials but, I haven't yet found any labs that will actually do it anymore.
     
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    Really? Here in Perth we have Churchill Colour Laboratories who do 4x5 Cibachromes. Its no more expensive than using any other film. Theyre also one of the few places in the world (apparently Ive heard), that have worked out how to do Digital Cibachromes.

    Well done Cibachromes just trounce anything else available. Analog or Digital, you can't beat the wet process. I'd question the eyes or skills of anyone who says otherwise.

    In the shop window they had a 4 metre (approx 14 feet) wide by 1 metre horizontal print. Stunning.

    Daniel.

    Heres the address for any aussies, though I know a large proportion of their business is international.

    Churchill Colour Laboratories
    80 CHurchill Avenue
    Subiaco W.A. 6008
    Australia
    Ph: 61-8-9381-9688
     
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    Bob Carnie's lab in toronto Canada does Ilfo/Ciba-Chromes. I have seen the work and it is outstanding.
     
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    Our main street was once like a dark tunnel of Elm trees that swept over both sides of the road, making it a respite to walk during hot, sunny days. All gone.

    OB Photo - No pictures of it can be found. I wonder if it was either too difficult a subject or taken for granted.
     
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    Velvia 50 is my favorite 4x5 transparency film. You can have spectacular "Cibachrome" (now Ilfochrome while it is still available) enlargements made by a competent lab.


    FYI: A number of the APUG members have recommended exposing at EI of 40 rather than 50.
     
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    A&I will do contact sheets and enlarged contact sheets from 4x5.

    http://www.aandi.com/trans.html#contact

    I haven't asked if they will do enlargements from a 4x5 transparancy, though.


    I did ask at Calypso for a 6x9 transparancy, and they said it would involve a scan.

    Matt
     
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    Excellent. I've heard many very positive comments about Bob's work but never could find contact info. Thanks!
     
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    BTW, why do people say "while its still available", is there any reason to think me might loose Cibachrome? Is it a process which is practical to make in low volumes?

    Daniel.
     
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    There are two reasons that people may have lost confidence in the continued availability of Ilfochrome (AKA Cibachrome).

    1. Ilford has not AFAIK, made any emphatic statement about it either way but, all their recent press does seem to emphasise the company's commitment to "Monochrome".

    2. Like I said before, most labs simply don't do it anymore. I've even been told ny one lab that the materials were discontinued - which, I do not believe to be completely true.
     
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    I think a lot of labs would like for you to believe that digital is he only way they can make enlargements.
     
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    With Velvia, it's probably because the average LF'er would rather have a digital scan and a nice print than pay for the unsharp mask and other hand-work to tame the contrast of Velvia when printing.

    Being as I'm trying to *deleted* some 2 1/4 Velvia in order to figure out what I care to spend the money on printing, I've come to think of Velvia as Multiflora Rose; it's pretty enough in the right locations, but everywhere else it should be treated with full-strength Roundup. The high values have detail, the mid-tones are good, the slightest shadow and right off the cliff. The pictures in open shade are gorgeous, but anything in sun may not be enlargeable, just because of the blank shadow areas.

    To the original poster; take a deep breath, don't be cheap, and be willing to Bracket any scene you think is important.
     
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    I have made a good portion of my living shooting Velvia for about 20 years now, in sizes from 35mm to 4x5 and shot provia in my 20 x 24 camera and don't find my experiance to be what you have stated in your message, and I have to say, I must not be the average LF shooter, cause I would much prefer a well done Ciba over a digital scan any day of the week.

    Dave
     
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    I congratulate you (seriously) on taming it for your work. I found Provia or Ektachrome 100 more forgiving and easier for me to get good prints from. Velvia looks gorgeous as transparencies, but has always given me and the places I took it fits during printing. It does behave well on hazy-sun days, or in open shadows for me.

    I have transparencies that look on as far as high values and mid-tones, and when I opened up a bit for the shadows, the high-values got real light quickly. Otherwise, it seems that the shadows block up quickly, and in that sense was hard for me to handle. I only mention the other alternative because West Coast Imaging made me some very nice enlargements from 120 Velvia a year ago, on Crystal Archive.
     
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    I use Chrome & "R" here in Los Angeles for C prints and have been very happy. I've had them done from 4x5 E100 VS and 6x6 positive processed TXP. The people there have always been friendly and accommodating as well. If you're a transparency freak like me, I recommend you check them out.

    http://www.chromeandr.com/
     
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    I talked to Christopher Burkett a few weeks ago; he is one of the biggest buyers of Cibachrome - buying a full year's supply at once. He didn't seem worried about it going away.
     
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    Oops, I meant R prints in my previous post, not C. Guess I shouldn't post right after I wake up. =)
     
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    Does anyone know where to get 8x10 chromes made into Ilfochromes?

    Our local lab here stop doing them awhile back. Sure do miss it. I can't think of one person who didn't say "Oh my" wen I would show them a 16x20 made from the 8x10. Nothing has replaced it yet. Although the processors keep telling me so.
     
  23. David A. Goldfarb

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    Try Clone-a-Chrome in New York--http://www.cloneachrome.com/

    They do it, but they charge 50% over their standard rates for 8x10" originals.
     
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    Does anyone know of anyone in Sydney still doing Cibachromes.
     
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    Hi SinarF1user,
    Exciting time, when the first box of a new film type arrives. I do a bit of colour work using velvia rvp50. I found that in general exposing it at less than the 'box speed' gives me better results (with processing normal). Usually I rate it at 40asa.
    I asked Joe Cornish in person a couple of months ago if he does the same. He said he rates his generally at 40, and 30 for wide angle exposures.
    It is certainly difficult to find the resources for enlarging 4x5 colour transparencies these days. Even Joe uses dgtl processing before cibachrome printing.
    We don't see a lot of colour examples shown on apug all that often, I'll put a couple of images from 4x5 velvia in my gallery if you're interested.

    best, John

    OK, the're uploaded now, if you'd like to see a few examples go here: http://www.apug.org/gallery/showgallery.php?ppuser=1811&cat=500
     
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    You have nothing to worry about, the only thing you have to remember is that your exposure latitude is less than you are used to with black & white. I shoot almost exclusively Velvia.