35mm in 4x5

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  1. Christopher Walrath

    Christopher Walrath Member

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    I have seen some prints of 35mm strips lately where the area of the emulsion surrounding the gear sprocket holes of 35mm film was exposed and was part of the image. I was wondering if anyone had tried mounting 35mm film strips into a 4x5 film holder? Any trips for holding the film in place? Cutting the film will be the trickiest part I think so any tips on that as well?
     
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    Let me suggest getting a 6x7, 6x9, or 612 back for 4x5, then you won't have to deal with curl issues etc. I cut a 120/220 spool in half and filed it down so that I can put the 135 canister into the holder. The rest is obvious.
     
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    I've been thinking of cutting a 120 film in two and making 6x30cm panoramas - mounting the film in the holder using my jam technique. Just search for "Ole" and "jam". :wink:
     
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    Pretty darn smart, would love to see a picture of the setup.

    Nope, couldn't find it under "Ole" and or "jam" or "jam technique etc.. but I get what you are doing.
     
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    Ilford PAN F Plus 120 (6 Cm) Black & White Print Film would give a great pano in a 4x 5x or even an 8x10 film holder. Imagine a panorama as long as 10 inches? Or even 35mm film with sprockets as long as 10 inches?
     
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    I've been using strips of 35mm film in my cut film holders for my Rolleiflex. I put two strips of self-adhereing foam (one on each side of the film strip)on the pressure plate to indicate the center of the holder when loading. I also have a piece of double sided tape that's a little smudged up with my fingers (to lessen adhesion) underneath the strip of film, as well.

    Despite being bordered by the foam strips, it's easy to load the strip in a crooked fashion. I have WAY better luck loading ortho film under a safelight!

    I'm not a fan of the sprocket hole look, so when printing I mask to a 24X60mm (roughly 4"X10") format.

    With a 4X5 holder, I would assume you could get away with just the double stick tape and some sort of positioning indicator for loading. The ends of the film strips in my holders are also held down by the clips holding the pressure plate, though.

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    I have used 35mm in my Holga to take panoramic shots that expose the entire film area. You simply put foam on each side and back of the of the film can, and rubber bands on a 120 take up spool to hold the smaller film in the middle as it is taken up. Because 35 has no paper backing you must black out the red window. The first time I did it, I didn't black out the window enough and wound up with a square fogged in the middle of my frames, so use electrical tape on both sides. Each shot is wound 42 clicks. As there is no counter or way to use the window to see how far to advance the film, you have to count the clicks. You must unload in total darkness and wind the film back in to the can by hand. It's really not as complicated as it sounds, and you get a panoramic neg, sprocket holes and all, with that cool Holga look.

    Here is a video that illustrates the method.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK9iBKoQYik
     
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    As far as advancing 35mm I make 35mm pinhole cameras from matchboxes (yeah, duh, doesn't everybody?). But anyway, I cut a 24mm square hole in the bottom of the matchbox tray. I use a strip of comb style report binding, curved to fit in to the sprocket holes. Six clicks = 24mm, next exposure. So one click would be in the neighborhood of 4mm. You do the math.

    To the foam tape, I was evne thinking just Scotch tape rolled up in the back and perhaps dedicating one holder ot this by adhering popsicle sticks on the inside the proper width apart. As long as they clear the dark slide.
     
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    You can do that without tinkering, and having to deal with curling strips.

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    (Notice, by the way, how Portra makes a fine BW film. :wink: )

    But no fun if the tinkering is why you want to try this in the first place, of course.

    The above is a scan of a 35 mm strip, which, in digital editing, can be used as mask over any other picture you like.
    That of course also won't do if you only print direct from a negative.
     
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    I've used 35mm in my RB67 with the 50mm Sekor C:
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    If you print it from a 6x7 enlarger you get about an 8x20" print, without the sprocket holes.
     
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    I tried jam, and marmalade, but in the end found that honey worked better for sticking the film into the holders... :D


    Peter