$42 for a gallon of developer? Seriously?

Discussion in 'B&W: Film, Paper, Chemistry' started by BetterSense, Nov 17, 2012.

  1. BetterSense

    BetterSense Member

    Messages:
    3,126
    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2008
    Location:
    North Caroli
    Shooter:
    35mm
    I decided I should buy some new Diafine, not because my old batch died but because I'm down to about a liter from the original gallon.

    Freestyle has it, but it's $42. What?
     
  2. Stephanie Brim

    Stephanie Brim Member

    Messages:
    1,607
    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2005
    Location:
    Iowa
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    I don't really relish paying that much for it, but...I like it. I don't know. I'm conflicted. No one knows the recipe, right?
     
  3. Worker 11811

    Worker 11811 Member

    Messages:
    1,629
    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2010
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    I was about to buy some in order to try it out on suggestion from a discussion in another thread but, after seeing the price, I figured it could wait.
     
  4. brianmquinn

    brianmquinn Member

    Messages:
    680
    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2006
    Location:
    Cincinnati O
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    It is not just Freestyle but everyone. My guess is that BKA decided that the only way they were not going to discontinue Diafine is if they made a profit on it. Increasing the price from $12.99 a gallon (what I last paid a few years ago) to over $40 was a shock, but I paid it. When you consider the total number of rolls you can develop per liter (or gallon) Diafine is still a bargain.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Nov 17, 2012
  5. brianmquinn

    brianmquinn Member

    Messages:
    680
    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2006
    Location:
    Cincinnati O
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    If you want I can send you some of my liquid Diafine for you to try out. A gallon lasts me about 5 years and has never gone bad in storage. If I can get you to buy than maybe in 5 years they will still have it for sale. Send me a PM.
     
  6. brianmquinn

    brianmquinn Member

    Messages:
    680
    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2006
    Location:
    Cincinnati O
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    Adorama has it for about $25 per quart (Liter) with shipping. That is the best deal I see now.
     
  7. brianmquinn

    brianmquinn Member

    Messages:
    680
    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2006
    Location:
    Cincinnati O
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    A final note. Ilford DD-X is a fantastic speed increasing developer, like Diafine. However Ilford DD-X is almost $70 per gallon. DD-X will also yield far less rolls of film developed as it can not be reused as much as Diafine.

    For others who care to comment, I do use BOTH of these developers. DD-X is best for Delta 3200, Daifine is best for Tri-X rated at 1250. The final image is all that matters. Pay what you need to achieve your vision.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Nov 17, 2012
  8. Athiril

    Athiril Subscriber

    Messages:
    2,963
    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2009
    Location:
    Melbourne, V
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    I've made home made 'Diafine' before, worked very well. I'll try to recall the recipe I used. Qutie cheap to mix up, first bath pH is fairly critical as there needs to be -some- development in there so that bath B can accelerate that faint low contrast image, if bath B only has the latent image to work with, you'll get poor thin negs.

    Nowadays, I just cant stop loving Xtol (even if it wasn't one of the cheapest, I'd still be all over it).
     
  9. BetterSense

    BetterSense Member

    Messages:
    3,126
    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2008
    Location:
    North Caroli
    Shooter:
    35mm
    I think I will end up switching to Xtol. I find I get the same shadow speed with Xtol as with Diafine, but the great thing about Diafine is that my regularly-exposed shots on the same roll don't get totally cooked.
     
  10. polyglot

    polyglot Member

    Messages:
    3,472
    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2009
    Location:
    South Austra
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    Don't look at $/gal, figure out $/roll - that's what really matters. I believe Diafine basically lasts forever and the only consumption is via carryover.

    You can also mix similar 2-bath devs from scratch for pretty cheap.
     
  11. jim appleyard

    jim appleyard Member

    Messages:
    2,130
    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2004
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Right, no one knows the recipe for Diafine except the folks at BKA. There is a knock-off recipe in TDC. I've tried it and it doesn't work for me, but YMMV.

    I have substituted carbonate for the metaborate and had better results. It needs further experiments.
     
  12. ParkerSmithPhoto

    ParkerSmithPhoto Subscriber

    Messages:
    1,365
    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2010
    Location:
    Atlanta, GA
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    I am a multi year User of diafine and also Xtol. Recently mixed my first batch of Barry Thornton two bath developer. The chemicals were about $40 shipped from PhotoFormulary and it will make six liters of both baths or about 100 rolls. Some people say that you can replenish and use it forever like diafine. There are several threads on this if you are interested to learn more.
     
  13. jnanian

    jnanian Advertiser Advertiser

    Messages:
    20,107
    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2003
    Location:
    local
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    silver bullets cost a lot of $$
     
  14. Roger Cole

    Roger Cole Member

    Messages:
    5,480
    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2011
    Location:
    Atlanta GA
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    I agree. It lasts almost forever. In practice I found that it does eventually get "tired" and start producing thin negatives, or maybe this was because I never bothered replinishing a working bottle with fresh to top off per instructions, just kept pouring it back in the bottle. In any case though I found this limit was about 60-70 35mm rolls per quart. At the lower number that's eighteen cents per roll. I have a gallon I've been using for two years, and another gallon of powder on the shelf. As far as I know the powder should keep for many years since it's sealed in metal cans. I've been tempted to stock up since I saw the price going up. A couple more gallons would be a lifetime supply.

    But if the price is really bothersome, Badger has it for $34.95:

    https://www.badgergraphic.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=2865

    Or $20.95 per quart:

    https://www.badgergraphic.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=2864

    Even though the price per unit quantity is almost twice as much a quart may be all you need for a long time.
     
  15. Harry Lime

    Harry Lime Member

    Messages:
    476
    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2005
    Shooter:
    35mm RF
    Diafine has gone way up in price, but...

    - A gallon will process dozens of rolls, so per roll cost is actually quite low.
    - It's really good and I can't think of an alternative.

    It's still a good deal and I would rather pay a little more, than not have access to Diafine at all.
     
  16. Roger Cole

    Roger Cole Member

    Messages:
    5,480
    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2011
    Location:
    Atlanta GA
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Well said Harry. It's no longer my only or main developer but I keep it on hand and use it for what others just don't do.
     
  17. markbarendt

    markbarendt Subscriber

    Messages:
    7,605
    Joined:
    May 18, 2008
    Location:
    Beaverton, OR
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Yes they do.
     
  18. pentaxuser

    pentaxuser Subscriber

    Messages:
    8,234
    Joined:
    May 9, 2005
    Location:
    Daventry, No
    Shooter:
    35mm
     
  19. markbarendt

    markbarendt Subscriber

    Messages:
    7,605
    Joined:
    May 18, 2008
    Location:
    Beaverton, OR
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    I happily pay $18 per liter for my DD-X.
     
  20. Athiril

    Athiril Subscriber

    Messages:
    2,963
    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2009
    Location:
    Melbourne, V
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    TBH, if you're spending that much on Diafine, I'd go for Emofin.
     
  21. MARKNABIA

    MARKNABIA Member

    Messages:
    55
    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2012
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    which would you buy? $25 per liter of $42 per gallon...
     
  22. ParkerSmithPhoto

    ParkerSmithPhoto Subscriber

    Messages:
    1,365
    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2010
    Location:
    Atlanta, GA
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    Get a gallon. With a liter you are restricted to only 2 rolls of 120, with a gallon you can do four rolls at a time. That's one of the biggest benefits of Diafine, being able to process different film types at the same time.
     
  23. luizjorgemn

    luizjorgemn Member

    Messages:
    36
    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2011
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Here in Brazil we don't have diafine, microdol, rodinal, id11, just d76. 20 dollars 1 liter or 40 dollars 1 gallon... Trix 35mm 15 dollars, fuji acros 7 dollars.
    An 5d mark II would cost 7500 dollars.
    Now we buy everything on ebay from america an pay 60% at customs. Still a good deal.


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD