On another forum, I recently read a thread about people trying to emulate the "Daido Moriyama look" -- high contrast, hyper grain, etc. Now, issues of appropriation aside, I'm curious about screwing around with this concept a bit...just to see what comes out. One of my favorite photo books is by William Klein whose work from the 1950's in NYC also has this hyperkinetic, slightly crazed feel to it. Think of it as trying a bit of freeform jazz instead of classical music, in terms of developing film. Anyway, one poster mentioned developing 400 B&W film for 45 seconds at 45 degrees, in Rodinal. Didn't say what dilution but they said they graded their film at 5000! I tried this and it was a flop. Negs so thin as to be almost invisible...but I like the idea of harsh grain, etc. for the overall 'feel'. Has anyone tried this, or something like it? High temperature, short times? Crazy grain, wacky contrast?