I'm searching about looking for a 4x10 camera that I could live with. The closest I've found so far is the Canham wooden 4x10. What I'm looking for is a camera that I can toss in the pack and hike with. Mostly landscape, mostly horizontal but some vertical. If I have full front movements I can live without any rear movements at all. I'd like it to be metal and designed for light weight. The Fotomans won't do it - no movements. The new Shen-hao is considerably too heavy. The Lotus weighs about the same as the Canham. I've never seen a Wisner in the wild, and I don't think I could muster up the courage to order one considering Wisner's apparently checkered history. I'm probably just chasing my tail here, but you never really know what's out there until you look. All pointers welcome.