4x5: Notches always on the lower right side?

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  1. dwdmguy

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    Just want to make sure before I open my first pack in a changing bag.
    I seem to remember one person writing that there was one sheet film that was not.
    Thank you.
     
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    I don't know about exceptions, but you're looking at the emulsion side if you hold the film so that the long side of the sheet is on top and bottom, and the short side of the film is on right and left. Under that circumstance the notches will be on the right hand side, in the lower corner, (on the short vertical side).

    If you hold the film 90 degrees clock-wise rotated from that, with the long dimension on the sides, and the short dimensions on top and bottom, that same notch would be in the lower left hand corner, (still on the short side of course, but now horizontal).

    It depends on how you're holding the film.
     
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    Thomas, thank you, but I remember one review on B&H saying the film was great execpt the notches don't follow the norm etc...
    I'll be using Delta 100 as my first.

    I'm guessing that in the changing bag, I open the box, then the second box, open the "bag" and take out the film and load.
     
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    Generally it is notches upper right and you're looking at the emusion side. That goes face up in the holder. Check your film's literature to be sure.
     
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    Chris, you mean LOWER right, correct? Positioned Landscape.
    I won't be looking at any side, I'll be doing this in the changing bag, hence the inquiry.
    Thankyou.
     
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    Tom, I'm no expert but this guy says he is. Very well illustrated too. It is recommended that you sacrifice one sheet and exercise in daylight until you get used to the scheme.
     
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    Thank you much Mihai. That's exactly what I've been doing. I'll go to the link now.
    Thx again.
    Tom
     
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    Having just blown through my very first box, I would concur Paul Butzi's words & pictures are spot on. You do need to make sure the film goes in the bottom slots and not the dark-slide grooves.

    One more tip - Get yourself a sheet or three of little sticky labels and a fine tipped fibre pen. Once you have exposed the sheet, write down the f-stop & shutter speed on a label and stick it on the holder. That way, even if you forget to turn the dark slide round, you now which sheet has been used.
     
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    Thank you paul. A good site indeed. I've been practicing with a piece of film so I'm ok. I wondering because I saw a review that one film was not the same as far as notches. He may have been wrong. I simply went to Ilford's page and got the spec/picture.

    I have written down numbers on my holders, middle tab of the holder, i.e., 1 and then other side 2, then next holder 3 etc.... I'll keep a note book then to relate.
    Thanks again guys.
    T
     
  10. Christopher Walrath

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    I see what you're saying. You're right. As long as the notches are clockwise from the straight edge on the same side.
     
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    One more tip from a fellow newb. Butzi briefly mentions putting an identifying notch in the flap http://www.jbhphoto.com/articles/filmno/filmholder1.htm shows the idea in more detail.
     
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    tom

    the other day loaded a bunch of film into holders upside down :wink:
    and i have been using LF cameras since about 1988 :tongue:

    have fun!
    john
     
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    John, I'm shocked to hear that not even you are perfect... :D
     
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    Fellows,

    Don't makes this more complicated than it is. If you are holding the film in a vertical position the notch will be on the top right, when the emulsion is facing you. If you are holding the film in a horizontal position the notches will be on the bottom right, with the emulsion facing you. If the film is square the notch could be on either the top right or bottom right with the emulsion facing you.

    I have never used notched film that did not follow this orientation.

    Sandy
     
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    Ouch! Did you discover you're mistake before or after you exposed the film?


     
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    Dear Tom,

    The good news is that there are no exceptions to the rule with Fuji/Ilford/Kodak. I checked the B&H web site and there were no reviews that referred to an anomalous notch position, just that the notches were different from TMX (which is good news!).

    Neal Wydra
     
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    maybe a sheet or 2 -
    "i don't recall" :smile:
     
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    Whilst loading in the vertical aspect, I'm a bottom left guy.

    Murray
     
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    Seems to me that it would be REALLY stupid for a manufacturer to deviate from that standard.
     
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    louie,

    i had about 50sheets of tri x 5x7 sheets
    that had NO notches at all on them ...
    i just had to pray a little to make sure they were
    not wrong side up ....
     
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    Sort of related to this topic:

    When loading, I now make sure that the code notches are located on the flap end of the film holder. That means, when loading, that the notches are on the bottom left (diagonally opposite top right) of the film. Every one of my film holders, and I have several brands and ages, has the bad habit of allowing the film to slide a bit toward the bottom, i.e., flap end, of the holder, thus leaving very little rebate on the top (light-trap end) of the holder. When I loaded the film with the notches toward the top of the holder, this often caused the notches to impinge on the image. After ruining a shot or two this way, I started loading the film with the notches on the other end. Now they only impinge on the wider rebate at the bottom of the holder.

    Best,

    Doremus Scudder
    www.DoremusScudder.com
     
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    Jesus, Mary, and Joseph people!---THANK YOU Sandy.

    This was starting to remind me of the Monty Python and the Holy Grail scene where the two dullards guarding the effete bridegroom were trying to figure out when, and if, they could leave their post.
     
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    Mike, I got it awhile ago, but people are just trying to help. NO one is forcing you to read this and here you are taking the time to write.
    Jesus, Mary, and Joseph indeed!
     
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    The only film I've ever loaded that wasn't notched in the usual corner was sold at a discount as mis-notched film. I've never heard of any company that didn't follow the conventional scheme.