5x7 Film Holders - Market Response Please

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  1. fotoman

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    Before we launch into this, we would like to receive an indication of the potential market for brand new 5x7 double sided film holders. These would be in every way indistinguishable from Toyo film holders other than for three aspects...

    1. They would carry the Fotoman brand name
    2. The dark slide would be stainless steel (like in a Horseman RF holder)
    3. The pricing would be more attractive

    We have already commenced the tooling for 8x10 and 4x10 film holders, having satisfied ourselves that a viable market exists. Once again, these will be indistinquishable from the Toyo holders other than for the same three aspects. We believe there is a viable market for the 5x7's as well, however before making the considerable investment in tooling, we would like to have some feedback.

    Thank you in advance for your input.
     
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    I'd love to have some new 5x7 film holders so i think there is a market for them.
     
  3. BradS

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    Hmmm, somebody - either here or over on LF.info was feeling the waters for real Toyo 5x7 film holders...I guess that you already saw that thread though - eh?
     
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    Just a comment. I can remember about 20 years ago, you couldn't give away 5x7 holders..the only interest was in 8x10 or 4x5. We truly are living in a golden age for large format.
     
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    That would be me.

    Toyo still hasnt give me a firm answer on prices, delivery times or any firm commitment as of yet. I am still waiting and I have a call into the rep as of this morning, but they are out of the office until Monday.

    Hope it helps.

    Gary
     
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    The operative phrase here is “….indistinguishable from Toyo film holders….” I think there is a great market for a high quality 5x7 holder. In 4x5 abd 8x10, there is a quality difference between the Toyo holders and the Fidelity/Lisco holders currently sold. For me, the higher quality Toyo holders justify the higher price.

    Toyo no longer makes a 5x7 holder. So the talk on the LFF about getting Toyo to make another batch of 5x7 holders has my serious interest. And over 40 other photographers have expressed serious interest on the LFF for a 5x7 Toyo holder as well.

    But again, the operative word is “indistinguishable”, where quality is concerned.

    The stainless steel slide would be a nice touch. And have you considered the very popular 7x17 holder?
     
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    Yes we have considered the 7x17 as well, and would value any input in this regard also. Our initial feeling is that there is a viable (though smaller) market.
     
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    I'd be interested in somebody making 5x7 holders.
     
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    Great- and don't forget 6.5 x 8.5 as well!

    I would definitely be interested, especially at a lower price point than the Toyos. I know there has also been considerable interest voiced in modern 6.5 x 8.5 film holders, both here and on LF Info. I would also be interested in film holders in that size.
     
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    always interested in 5x7 holders of good quality..though I recently found 6 new/like new for $7 each. Those days are rare, so any quality holder would be welcome.
     
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    I'd love to have some new 5x7 holders, especially if they're high quality and reasonably priced.
     
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    There still seem to be a large number of used 5x7 holders available, so the pricing would need to be pretty competitive. On the other hand, I'll second the suggestion for some 6 1/2 x 8 1/2 holders which almost never show up in any form.
     
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    problem with full plate holders is deciding which camera to make holders for.
    I have a couple of folmer & schwing full plate rb cycle graphics, and when looking for holders I discovered that every manufacturer had their own size. Took a while to find the right ones.
    Jamie
     
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    Right after posting I saw a mention that Ebony is listing a full plate camera in their catalog -see
    http://theonlinephotographer.blogspot.com/
    I wonder if they have a source for holders for their camera?
    Jamie
     
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    Knowing Ebony, their holders would make Toyo and Linhof-branded holders seem cheap. I would be interested to hear what they're doing as far as the film holder issue is concerned.
     
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    That Ebony uses holders made by Lotus. They're based on Lotus' 8x10 holder design, i.e. T dimension and lock rib location per the 8x10 standard, but length and width reduced to match the smaller film.

    I'd be interested in Fotoman holders, both 5x7 and 6.5x8.5, if they were indistinguishable from Toyo in terms of build quality and tolerances, but would hope for one aspect to be different -- smell. See this thread:

    http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?t=8417&highlight=reeking+film+holders

    I recently purchased a couple of new 4x5 Toyo holders to find out whether anything changed and it hasn't. They've been airing out (in the garage) for three months now. The stench is somewhat diminished, but has quite a way to go before it's acceptable. Despite that, I committed to participate in the Toyo 5x7 special order with hope that sufficient time would make them tolerable to my olfactory system.

    If Fotoman were to manufacture 6.5x8.5 holders, I'd encourage it to pattern them after those Lotus made for the new Ebony SV Wholeplate camera.
     
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    Very interested.
    I have a great deal of difficulty in finding anything in 5x7 here in northern Ontario.
     
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    Yes please
     
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    5x7 Film Holders

    Interested in purchasing several. (something between 4 and 8)
     
  21. Ole

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    Strangely enough I believe i have enough 5x7" holders for the time being.

    But I could use a few more 13x18cm holders - at least until Kodak decides to make the same films available in 5x7" that I can now get in 13x18cm.

    But I fear it's going to be a long wait, and that the "equalisation" will be in the opposite direction. :sad:
     
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    Recently got into 5X7 and I woudl definitely be interested - 5X7 holders are particularly rare in the UK. And, while I have got myself going with some old ones, when I move onto more serious work it would be nice to have new.

    So some new ones would be somethiong I would buy.
     
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    I would be interested in 5x7 holders too - anywhere between seven to ten.
     
  24. Justin Cormack

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    I would be interested; I expressed interest in the build on the LF forum and wouldnt need holders from both sources; whichever works out...
     
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    I'd be interested in around 8 to 10 at a reasonable price.
     
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    New 5x7 Film Holder Viability

    You might wish to first talk to the film manufacturers to get their planned commitment to the 5x7 format. The market for new holders is only as good as the availability of film. I mention this because I know somebody who only shoots 5x7 and recently has had problems finding film he is comfortable working with.

    Bob