8x20 / 7x17 lens

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  1. pateeid

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    HI everyone. Anybody still shooting this both format? I wonder the lens that's fit for these camera? normally i use 240mm on my 4x10 and looking for a bigger one soon. Any suggestion?:smile:
     
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    my experience....

    355mm Schneider G Claron - have used this on 7x17 and 12x20
    305mm Konica GRII - have used this on 7x17
    14" Kodak Commercial Ektar - have used this on 7x17
    10" Kodak Wide Field Ektar - have used this on 7x17
    19" Red Dot Artar - have used this on 12x20
    450mm Fuji C - have used this on 12x20
     
  3. Jim Noel

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    I use a 12" Dagor on 7x17.
     
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    For 7x17 I use:

    600mm Fujinon C, f11.5, in Copal #3 shutter
    450mm Nikkor-M Sinar f9, in Copal #3 shutter
    300mm/12 inch Wide Angle Wray f6.3, barrel
    300mm/12 inch Gold Rim Dagor f6.8, in #4 Ilex shutter
    273mm/10 ¾ inch Wollensak f6.8, in Pi-Alphax shutter
    250mm/10 inch Kodak Wide Field Ektar f6.3, in #5 Ilex shutter
    I had a 210mm SSXL but felt it was too wide for my vision and sold it.

    My most commonly used lens is the 300mm Dagor.

    John Powers
     
  5. John Jarosz

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    For 8x20:
    420mm Apo-Nikor
    600mm Apo Ronar

    I have tried the 14" Kodak Commercial Ektar, but it will NOT cover 8x20.


    John
     
  6. ReallyBigCameras

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    If you like the 240mm on 4x10, the Nikkor 450mm M would be a great starting point for a 7x17/8x20 lens. It will cover with movements, is very sharp and contrasty, multicoated, in a modern shutter, takes commonly available 67mm filters and is very affordable.

    Kerry Thalmann
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  7. Don12x20

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    All of these will work (yet some require 135mm filters, a large lens board, and a camera with more than just average bellows):
    Grandagon 200 (7x17 only)
    Rodenstock 300W
    Rodenstock 300 Makro (closeup)
    355 G-Claron (Schneider)
    16" dagor in Ilex
    432mm de Golden Busch
    450 Fujinon
    450M Nikor
    550 Fine Art XXL
    600 Fujinon
    610 De Golden Busch
    750 Germinar (Doktor)
    30 inch RD Artar
    800T Nikor
    35 inch RD Artar
    1000mm Germinar
    40 inch Artar
    1100mm Fine Art XXL
    1200T Nikor
     
  8. ReallyBigCameras

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    A few more:

    305mm Computar

    14" Goerz Trigor

    360 f5.6 Symmar in Compound or Ilex No. 5 shutter - late samples in Copal No. 3 shutters were labeled 355mm with a max. aperture of 6.8 (limited by the "smaller" shutter) - not this refers to the single coated convertible Symmar, not the newer Symmar-S

    The 360mm Rodenstock APO Gerogon covers 7x17. I've heard it also covers 8x20, but I haven't tried it.

    Ditto for the 360mm W.A. APO Nikkor. I know it covers 7x17, but don't have an 8x20 to try it on. Note, this is the W.A. APO Nikkor, which is pretty hard to find. It's much less common than the standard 360mm APO Nikkor (which definitely won't cover 7x17/8x20).

    In a longer lenses, the 760mm f14 APO Ronar Compact covers with ease, as does the 760mm f11 APO Nikkor.

    Kerry Thalmann
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  9. photo8x10

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    I use for my 8x20
    16.5" Goerz Apo-Artar
    19" Goerz Apo-Artar
    24" Goerz Apo-Artar
    30.5" Apo-Nikkor
    All covers this format without problems.
    The next will be a 305 or 355mm

    Best
    Stefano
     
  10. ReallyBigCameras

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    The 305mm G Claron covers 7x17 with a bit to spare. I haven't tried it on 8x20. It may just cover. It's reasonably small, light (Coapl No. 1 shutter) easy to find and inexpensive.

    The 305mm Computar will cover 8x20 with plenty to spare. Unfortunately, it's a lot harder to find and much more expensive then the 305mm G Claron (Quality Camera currently has one listed at $1995.00).

    If you move up to 355mm/14" the options become more plentiful. The 355mm G Claron covers 8x20 easily as does the 360mm/355mm Convertible Symmar. The latter is big and heavy, but is available in shutter (Compound or Ilex No. 5 for early samples, Copal No. 3 later).

    Kerry Thalmann
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    265mm Ilex Kenro covers 7X17. Don't know about your larger size.
     
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    Anyone use a 600mm Boyer APO Saphir? I bought one in apprehension of going to 8x20, have any opinions? As soon as I get it mounted on 8x10 board, I'll test drive it. It's "supposed" to cover 12x20.
     
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    240mm Computar will also cover 7X17, barely, and 270mm Computar will cover with lots of movement. These are great wide angle lenses for the format if size and weight are a major consideration.

    Sandy King
     
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    For my 8x20 I use the Gerogon 14" process lens. Nice wide angle and covers. I also use a Kodak Ektanon 21 1/4" which is very nice and the lenses were both very inexpensive. No shutters but at F-45 to F90 I don't need one.

    Jim
     
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    Nikkor 450M on 8x20

    I've read and reread the posts but I am getting conflicting reports on the Nikkor 450M being able to cover the full 8x20. Many claim that 11x14 is about it. I have located a 450M in a copal 3 shutter but I am concerned that it may not cover the 8x20. Any final definitive thoughts on this particular lens on the 8x20?
     
  16. Rick Olson

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    My Nikon 450M covers my 8 x 20 with room and my 305 G-Claron covers just to the corners, but is sharp across the image.



     
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    Have to agree with Rick. My 450M covers 8x20 without a problem
     
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    Another odd critter you'll probably have a hard time finding but will cover admirably is the Docter 600mm Apo-Germinar.
     
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    For some reason there appears to be rare situations that I have been aware of where participants here have indicated that their 450M lenses are exhibiting less than optimal coverage - specifically falling short of 8x20. This is rather rare so I am at a loss to explain this.

    I have two of these lenses and they both cover on 8x20 and 11x14 with the regularly reported excessive coverage.

    It is a always good idea with any ULF lens purchase to reserve sufficient time with the seller to put it on a lens board and check the coverage for your self.
     
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    Thinking of lenses with big coverage, does anyone know the limits of coverage for the Konica Hexanon GRII 260mm f9? Would it cover more than 11x14?