8x20 print materials

Discussion in 'Ultra Large Format Cameras and Accessories' started by Terence, Apr 25, 2007.

  1. Terence

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    I'm currently just trying to get my arms around using my Korona 8x20, so I'm not currently up to the challenge of learning alternative processes at this time.

    My question is, those of you shooting 8x20, or 7x17, etc., what do you print to when not doing an alternative process? Seems like I could cut down 16x20 print paper, but this leaves no room for a border. Same with using 20" roll paper from Ilford, etc.

    I'm looking to use a fiber-based paper, would like to have at least a little border to make matting easier, but don't want to waste huge amounts of paper, for economic and environmental reasons.
     
  2. Nick Zentena

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    Would 10" roll paper work? 1" borders.
     
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    The only 10" rolls I've been able to find are RC, not fiber.
     
  4. Hugo Zhang

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    Terence,

    I just cut some 16x20 in half and some in 10x20. You can use the 6x20 stripes for testing.
     
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    ... or use 20x24 paper, cut into 2 12x20 sheets and you have a 2" border top and bottom.
     
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    Cut down 16 x 20. The actual image size should be less than 8 x 20 anyway. The actual size on 7 x 17 is more like 6 1/2 x 16 1/2 for actual image size...

    I cut down 20 x 24 for my 7 x 17's as well. Don't see why this wouldn't work for 8 x 20 too. I use MUCH smaller sizes for test contacts....to mazimize paper. Pick a small area with lots of tonal range..
     
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    I always cut 20x24 into 10x24 sheets which gave a nice borders for handling.
    I made trays to fit the 10x24 paper and save sink space out of plexi.
    works great.
    Jamie
     
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    8x20

    just in recievership of a nice 8x20 camera and would like to elaborate on this thread-if no one minds. things like storage for the film;any or all hints/ advice well taken....
    thanks, Peter
     
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    for 8x20 storage I get a 16x20 box and divide it in two sides. I get 16x20 acid free paper from light impressions, fold it in half, and keep the negs in there.
    More on trays and stuff later.
    Jamie
     
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    Peter,

    I'm new to 8 x 20 myself. Just today I got my order from clearbags.com - you can get film storage sleeves pretty inexpensively ($13.00 for 100 clear bags that are 8 7/16" x 20 1/4". I plan on making a storage box or two out of foam core so I can make it to just the size I want.
     
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    Boxes for 8x20

    On a related note, consider Hollinger boxes - http://www.genealogicalstorageproducts.com/ullafofibo1.html
    for boxes sized for storing your 8x20 negatives. Purchase buffered 16x20 paper and fold in half for negative storage in the Hollinger boxes. Sliding negatives into and out of plastic/mylar sleves will create static attracting dust to your negatives. You may also find one of the other sizes of their boxes useful for storing your prints depending on what size of paper on which you choose to print.

    Bob
     
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    Terence,

    Some of the alternative processes are remarkably simple. Coating and printing with processes like cyanotype and vandyke are much less complicated than using an 8X20 camera, and they give beautiful results. The materials are also quite inexpensive. And alternative processes open a wide door of creative possibilities not available with silver papers.

    Sandy King
     
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    Sandy, this gives me some ideas also. I just need to get the bellows completed and my 8x20 will be done. I was thinking about other processes. From what I've read some of them sound confusing but I must agree probably no more difficult than building an 8x20 for your first project. I was thinking about Van Dyke or Kallitype when i do make the jump to alternative. I have read your articles on Unblinking Eye and I thank you for explaning it so well. I guess you just have to do it. I would have to start by using the Sun for my UV source. I'm busy building a Walnut 11x14 now so the light box will have to wait.

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    Jim,

    Yes, you just have to dive in. Processes like cyanotype and vandyke are really remarkably simple so you should not have a problem.

    And by all means use the sun if you don't have an artificial light source. Very inxpensive and very powerful.

    Sandy
     
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    Sandy, thanks for the words of encouragement. I don't have a problem jumping into just about anything. I will post some results when I have them.

    Jim