90 mm Lens for 4x5

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  1. Kilgallb

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    Ok, I have been searching for a 90 mm for my 4x5 for a few months now. I have seen Fujinon F8, Super Angulon F8 and Super Angulon F6.8.

    Can anyone help me understand the quality differences? The prices on Ebay and at the local shop seem to be all over the map. I have no idea which of these have the best quality.
     
  2. Roger Hicks

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    NOT Angulon (not Super) f/6.8 unless you want effectively no movement and to use the lens only at f/16 or below. Many sellers (?deliberately) confuse Angulons and Super Angulons.

    Cheers,

    R.
     
  3. David H. Bebbington

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    Price will depend on age, i.e. in ascending order (for Schneider):
    f6.8 Angulon, f8 Super Angulon, f5.6 Super Angulon, f6.8 Super Angulon, f5.6 Super Angulon XL.
    Other makes around the same for a lens of the same specification and age, Differences between modern lenses are marginal in comparison with the difference between these and an f6.8 Angulon (basically a 1930s design) but more modern designs have slightly higher contrast and coverage.
     
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    hi there

    you can check the age of any schneider lens
    through the serial number and going to their website: http://www.schneideroptics.com/info/age_of_lenses/index.htm

    i have a schneider super anguolon ( 90mm ) chrome barrel.
    it was bought through keh, and was listed as "bargain"
    it was not very expensive, and while listed as bargain it was like new :wink:

    i found it to be a good experience buying through keh, they are a known quanitity,
    and actually have a return policy. eBoo sellers often times don't know
    (or do they?? ) what they are selling and shrug-their-shoulders sometimes
    if there is a problem with items sold. you can also use them (keh) to check prices
    for good used equipment. they are one of the largest used camera stores around.

    as for differences between the lenses --- as mentioned that angulons do not
    really cover a 4x5 sheet, super angulons do with ease ( with movements ).
    i haven't used/ seen the fuji you mention, but you might want to widen your net a little bit ...
    wollensak made 90mm lenses, both the raptar and a 3 1/2 " exwa
    both wollensak lenses are tiny and gave me very good coverage. while i sold them
    several years ago, i wish i still had them, they were great.

    good luck!
    john

    ps.
    whoops!
    should have said "do not cover a 4x5 sheet with lots of room "
     
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    90mm (regular) Angulon covers 5x7, just.

    I don't know where you get the idea that the "regular" Angulons (not the Super-Angulons) don't cover 4x5, as they most certainly do, and they also cover 5x7 without much movements. Here is a scan from a 5x7 b/w negative, showing full image area. It starts to get soft at the corners, but is still quite useable.
     

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    From trying it. Sure, you can't tell when a cloud is out of focus. You get about 1cm of movement, as I recall, which would just give you 5x7 with soft corners. The difference between circle of illumination and circle of sharp coverage is greater with an Angulon than with a Super Angulon.

    Cheers,

    R.
     
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    I was looking for a 90mm Super Angulon for several months, seriously, but the prices were all over the place, so I gave up. I'll just be satified with a 100mm 150mm and 210 Schneider set.
     
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    There's also the Rodenstock Grandagon (sorry is spelling is wrong) I have a 90mm f/6.8 Calumet Caltar II-N which I believe is a re-branded Rodenstock - less expensive than the Rodenstock even though it's the same lens. Has plenty of coverage for 4x5 - more than my Schneider 135mm f/5.6 Sironar-S
     
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    There is a person selling a nice 90mm Super Angulon f8 for $150 right now on this forum in the classifieds on page 2 of the camera and lens section. He started out at $200, then dropped the price. Do you guys ever check the ads? I have three, so I don't need one.
     
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    I use both a 90mm f:6.8 Angulon and a 90mm f:8 Super Angulon.

    The Angulon gets used if I need to carry it (along with xxx other lenses) and if I don't expect to need lots of movements - it DOES allow movements on 4x5"! The SA gets more use on 5x7" than on 4x5" - very little movements on 5x7", lots on 4x5".
     
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    Roger, HERE is my 90mm-Angulon-on-5x7"-comparison page. There are slight differences between different models of the Angulon, so you may both be right!
     
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    Hi Ole,

    If you are still looking for a 90 mm ... I have two Grandagons and want to sell one...I have a newer version

    Rodenstock Grandagon N 90 mm F 4,5 MC till f 45
    Prontor Professional shutter on Linhof board
    Couverage 236 mm
    very clean 775 Euro + port

    and an older version but very good lens...I made B&W prints 1m x 1m20 from 4x5 without problems ...for a softer price

    Objectif Rodenstock Grandagon 90 mm F 6.8 till f 45
    in compur shutter
    Coverage 221 mm
    335 Euro + port

    I can send you pictures upon request.

    Kind regards from Gent Belgium

    Marc De Clercq
    marcdc99@yahoo.com
     
  13. Ole

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    Marc, it's not me who is looking! I have two at present, plus a few "historical" ones. I don't need any more (right now). :smile:
     
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    The Rodenstock Grandagon N 90 6.8 is a nice lens which I also use.
    If you are planning a new lens, i would buy a modern one. Prices are very attractive these days. I used a angulon 6.8/90, but with a very little movement it's out of the circle of confusion. besides that i did not like the quality, but that's personal. is weight more important than quality?
     
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    Hmm ! I'd seriously consider the Fuji f90 f/8 version---very sharp and 67 mm filter thread ---I had one and it was terrific--I ran across the SWD 5,6 Fuji and sold my f/8--I ended up with the 5,6 version for the same as what I sold the f/8 version for---pretty good swap--If you wonder why--the 5,6 is easier to focus plus it covers 5x7 with ease--the f/8 version will not. OTOH the f/8 uses the moderately expensive 67 mm filters as opposed to the very expensive 82 mm on the 5,6 SWD--- I had to buy a new 82 mm polarizer--ouch!!
     
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    Did you find out what caused the "flare"?
    I have seen something similar when shooting my f/8 SA into the sun.
    No hexagons just a blob of "flare" in the opposite site of the frame/image.
    Kind regards
     
  17. Ole

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    Oh yes - it was obvious when I thought about it!

    I had set everything up with the lens nicely shaded - then noticed the railing of the porch intruded in the bottom of the picture. Suddenly having forgotten why I put the camera where I did I pushed it 5cm forward instead of raising it 10cm, thus getting the lens right out in the sun. Since the sun was outside the field of view I managed to overlook it completely, but the sunshine falling on the front of the lenses gave that flare. I would have reshot if I hadn't already sold one of the lenses!