Agfa Viradon for double toning

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    I read an article on Unblinking Eye about double toning of the prints. I would like to try this, but the only brown toner that I can get is Agfa's Viradon. Now would this one work the same as the Kodak's Brown Toner?

    Marko
     
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    They aren't the same thing but same kind of toner based on polysulfide.
     
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    Which combination would you use?
    Viradon is a polysulfide developer, so it should work OK with selenium and gold.

    Viradon + selenium (paterson) work well.
    haven;t tried gold though.
     
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    I would like to try selenium+Viradon, so I should be OK.

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    Seems like original Viradon WAS a mixture of a poly-sulfide toner and selenium...
     
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    So it was... I'm on the final bottle now. Unbeatable combination.
     
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    can the old viradon be replicate by mixing some slelnium into new viradon?
     
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    If you can get sodium selenide, I guess so. I think the reason the selenium disappeared from the (New! Improved!) Viradon is due to a rather hazardous production procedure...


    In other words: Don't try it unless you know exactly what you are doing.
     
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    Marko, try to get Kodak Brown Toner (KBT) or Tetenal brown toner. Agfa Viradon New is similar to KBT (not the same - you may expect a little different color).
    I have done some double toning so far.
    If you have any questions, you may write me directly.

    Lep pozdrav
    Stane Kočar
     
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    Guys and gals, thank you very much for your help.

    Any specific articles where more can be learned?

    Thank you
    Marko
     
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    Tim Rudman,s Toning book will save you the cost of both materials and mental anguish.
     
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    I would use it the way you would use KBT with KRST to make a poly-toner. I did this with a homebrew IPI-toner which is just a borax-buffered polysulfide-solution and this works very well. It gives aubergine/cold browns on Agfa MCP after a minute and just a tint of eggplant on Ilford MGIV RC after 3 min.

    You can't do much wrong as long as you take usual care and precautions, i.e. gloves, good ventilation, no drinking/eating/smoking untill finished.

    best

    Stefan
     
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    Ditto, go buy it, get a copy, you have to see it....

    Oh! yeah..it is a very good book to have.