AMIDOL and VC PAPER

Discussion in 'B&W: Film, Paper, Chemistry' started by Peter Schrager, Jan 28, 2005.

  1. Peter Schrager

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    I want to use the M.S. recipe for enlarging paper; my Forte VC. Can I use this straight or do I need to dilute like I do with the Zone-VI developer. Any other tips, reccommendations appreciated.
    Thanks Peter
     
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    I would not waste the magic dust on VC paper. $5 a tray with no real benefit. Use the PC-TEA recepie - you won't need to use gloves - you can buy the active ingredient at Trader Joes - it is not toxic down the sink. Amidol requires care in mixing not to get the fine powder in your lungs - It stains everything - it is really costly and you don't want to be soaking in it - Great stuff for AZO - For everything else there is PC-TEA.
     
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    While papers have changed a lot over the years, St. Ansel saw no advantage in using Amidol over Dektol. I don't think AA was using AZO so his comments would be directed at the run of the mill papers we use.

    I find Dektol does everything I need a VC paper developer to do.
     
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    I do find that Formulary 130 paper developer has a slight edge in print quality over Dektol. The best thing about 130, though: the working solution can last for months. I just had a gallon that finally wore out: it was 3-4 months old and easily had 100 8x10s run through it.
     
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    Well, here's where I part company with the Scripture of St. Ansel. I found there was a BIG difference between amidol and Dektol; in favor of amidol. More open highlights, much better local contrast. I've used it on Kodak, Ilford, and Forte/J&C VC papers. Maybe a couple others that I can't remember. I haven't used Dektol in over a year, having totally replaced it with Neutol WA or amidol.

    Another thing St. Ansel couldn't ever figure out; using a water bath for print developing. I agree with him in that it doesn't work with Dektol - but it sure works fine with Neutol WA and works excellently with amidol.
     
  6. David A. Goldfarb

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    I found no significant advantage to using Amidol with Ilford MGIV, but I haven't tried with Forte VC. It might be worth investing in 10g of Amidol and trying it out.
     
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    Amidol+VC Paper

    Alex-did you dilute the amidol or just use it straight? David-I now have the amidol so I'll try it for myself and report back
    Thanks, Peter
     
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    I use Michael A. Smith's formula as its written. Go to michaeland paula.com, the Azo section, formula and procedures. It works!
     
  9. David A. Goldfarb

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    I also use Smith's Amidol formula for enlarging papers.
     
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    I HEAR that! My lasts FOREVER in my Nova processor! But I'm mixing my own Ansco 130 but I hear that Formulary 130 is the same (sort of)