another Leica camera I am thinking to get

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  1. Donald Boyd

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    It is the Bessa R2M. I think it's pretty good but a bit expensive. Are there any problems with this M camera?
     
  2. Ian Grant

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    errrrr a Bessa R2M is not a Leica :smile:

    It's a Cosina made Voigtlander.

    Ian
     
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    Quite, although it will take Leica M lenses.

    David.
     
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    Dear Donald,

    I don't think there is an R2M. There's an R2, an R3M and an R4M, and auto versions of the latter (R3A, R4A).

    I've had an R2 since they came out, the olive drab version, and it has worked faultlessly. It certainly isn't expensive: for what you get, it's incredible.

    Cheers,

    Roger
     
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    Based on ownership of 2 examples of Bessa R2a, one T and one L, I would say these cameras are generally well built, with good shutters, good vibration levels and surprisingly good center-weighted metering (even on the L, which is available for very little money). Bessa noise levels are noticeably higher, this is due to their design with a gray baffle in front of the shutter which is used for metering and which has to fall out of the way before each exposure. It is the presence of this baffle that makes the center-weighted metering possible.

    A feature (not necessarily a problem) with all Bessas (except of course the L) is the shorter-base rangefinder compared with Leica M (examples of Leica M with the highest viewfinder magnification have the longest effective base, the Bessa T I believe has the longest base of any Bessa). If you were thinking of using a 90 mm f2 Summicron, 75 mm f1.4 Summilux, etc., this might be an issue.

    The only thing I would call a problem is that the Bessa rangefinder mechanism is not as shockproof as a Leica. I would expect a Leica to survive, for example, a fall of 3 feet onto a carpeted floor without damage, a Bessa might not. I am told by my camera repairman that a Bessa rangefinder is a comparatively simple arrangement. Aside from that, I would say the Bessas are quite rugged (shutter, film wind, lens mount, etc.).

    Regards,

    David
     
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    Dear Donald,

    Oh, I see -- a commemorative. Sorry, I hadn't heard of it. Yes, at that point, it is expensive, and if you already have a 50mm lens, I wouldn't necessarily go for the Heliar. I was of course referring (erroneously) to the R2, which is also M-mount: the L and R are the only screw models from memory. You can see why I'd make the mistake...

    I'd be surprised if there were any significant differences in operation or reliability between the original R2 and the R2M, so my endorsement of the basic camera still stands.

    Cheers,

    Roger
     
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    Clearing through all of the confusion above - I'd only add that it is NOT expensive.

    Have you seen the price of a Leica M7?

    BTW: I am a Nikonian - I have the CV Bessa R2S (two of them, actually) and they are very nice cameras for the price. You won't go wrong with Steve Gandy, the owner of Camera Quest.

    For more info, you might want to go to: http://www.rangefinderforum.com/

    Steve actually now owns the site - but it's been around a long time and has tons of info on the whole CV Bessa line.

    Have fun, shoot film, post here! :D
     
  9. raizans

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    the r2m is now in regular production, in both glossy and smooth matte black paint.
     
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    I love my Bessas but DO NOT DROP THEM. My R2 was never the same.
     
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    I would never buy a commemorative model as a daily user. The price automatically is higher. If you're simply looking for a camera to use, then there is no reason to pay more than necessary.

    I would look on the used market for a Bessa-R2.
     
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    it isn't automatic in this case. the r2m 250th anniversary and r2a (the new regular production r2m hasn't arrived, unfortunately) are the same price at cq. future values may differ.