Argentone - The "new' Forte Paper?

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  1. billy

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    Starting this thread to explore the possibilty that Argentone will be able to replace the old Forte papers many of us miss so much. i know that ADOX is looking for people to commit to purchasing a paper they may or may not make, but how long will this take? i sincerely wish them the best of luck, and hope they are successful. in the meantime, my local dealer here in Toronto has told me that he will be receiving a shipment of Argentone sometime this MAy 2009. i will be purchasing some then, and trying it out to see what it's like. i'm not a research scientist by any stretch of the imagination, so this won't be a hardcore "study". i will be working from my gut instincts! please feel free to post any info re:Argentone papers here, and certainly anyone who has tried it please post a review! thanks, and good luck to us all!
     
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    Could you please let us know who the dealer is, such that we can test it out too? I am assuming 8 elm, since they carried the original Forte stuff...
     
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    8 Elm

    that'sright, it's 8 Elm. sometime in May he's saying. i will post any new info when i next speak to them.
     
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    I used and loved the Forte variable contrast paper and would be very interested in new supply.

    Please keep us posted and if you have the URL of the store, could you please pass that on.
     
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    Does Aregentone papers have a website of their own? I plan to stop by 8 Elm at some point to check it out.
     
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    Argentone web site?

    not that i know of. 8 elm won't have the paper until sometime in may, as per the owner...
     
  8. Marco Buonocore

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    I bought 10 sheets of 11x14 of the polywarm, for a silly price - 43$ or thereabouts.

    Quite a disappointment. Certainly very little in common with the old Forte Polywarmtone. Much lighter paper weight (similar in feel to Agfa MCC111), and acts differently in dektol. Comes up very fast, with an unpleasant green tone that I'm used to seeing on Ilford Warmtone. I found the Forte paper to be relatively slow speed; this Argentone stuff is on the faster side. Not as fast as Ilford; perhaps a stop slower.

    Didn't have a lot of joy with it in selenium 1:20. I used to be able to coax a pleasant brown tone out of the polywarmtone; didn't seem to get that with the Argentone.

    Didn't seem to lith at all; not in the Kodak Superlith RT I was using, at least.

    No particularly redeeming qualities that I found. Quite pleased that it stunk, actually, 'cause I'd be gutted if it was something special. I'm put off by the obnoxious pricing, and frankly, couldn't afford to print on it even if I wanted to. If it's costing 4$ + per sheet of 11x14, what do you reckon 20x24's gonna run?

    Although it's a graded paper, I find Fotokemika Emaks to resemble the Forte Polywarmtone a fair bit. They certainly share a tonality, and with a bit of bromide in my Dektol 1:2, I get a warmth that is similar. Nice paper to work with.

    I'd be interested in other opinions on this Argentone paper.
     
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    Marco! Wait till I show you my lith samples. They look a lot like the Agfa Insignia in colour but do have some texture.
     
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    I too tried this paper and it no real redeeming qualities....not forte by a country mile
    Best, Peter
     
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    I've never had the pleasure of using Forte papers, so I don't have a point of comparison with Argentone. I bought a pack of 25 8x10 from 8 Elm and I've made a few lith prints.

    So far, it has shown the most dramatic lith effect I've seen, bearing in mind that I am brand new to this lith printing thing. Very strong infectious development, starting for me at about 10mins.

    I've been using the Moersch SE5 kit. I found the blacks to be extremely grainy and gritty with soft highlights. Very lith-y but I'm not entirely pleased with the effect. Wet colour of the untoned print was a soft beige-brown, with black blacks. Selenium toning at 1:3 produced a very interesting purple-black tone at about 5 mins that dried down to a browner sort of purple colour.

    I was having a major problem with the edges of the print developing far more rapidly than the centre. After some thought, I imagine that's because I was using 8x10 trays for 8x10 prints and I was over-agitating the edge areas. Next time I'll move up a size in tray to see what happens.

    You can see the effect I got with the two attached images, but the colour is of course different in the physical prints.
     

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    Was this paper once sold under the name "Talbot?"
     
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    Forte Polywarmtone was/is my favourite paper by a long shot. I tried this paper out last week and it's definitely not as good as Forte, but it's pretty good. The tint is certainly more green, not that great golden-brown tone I'd get with Polywarmtone in Neutal WA or Ilford Warmtone, but the tonality is kinda similar (contrasty). It's better than Ilford Warmtone paper, in my opinion. I'd go out and buy a lot of the Argentone paper were it not for how overpriced it is at 8 Elm... and becasue I'm buying $600 worth of Forte Polywarmtone FB paper from this store in South Korea that my Korean friend tipped me off to; anything for that paper.
     
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    Who makes this paper and where does it come from? Just curious...