Arista.Edu VC FB Warmtone Paper

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  1. jeroldharter

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    Just tried some of this today for the first time. Remarkably slow which I kind of like because it is easier to dodge and burn. Like the tones too.

    However, the paper was fogged in a little area in the margin, most of which would be trimmed away. Not worth much of a stink over a 10 sheet package but it makes me wonder about ordering more. Was I just unlucky? Any other experience with this paper? I hear it is the same as Forte Polywarmtone. Is Forte any more reliable, enough to justify the 50 cents extra per each 11x14 sheet?

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    forte warmtone papers seem to be prone to fogging, so if it is a forte product it needs to be handled more carefully. Move the safe light further away and see if that helps.


    Some of my students use this paper all the time and it tones beautifully.

    In fact with a KST at 1:3 it has a lovely brown tone, not eggplant as one would have expected.
     
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    My .edu ULTRA has the same fogging on the edges you talk about. i use a red LED and i tried pitch black and I still get it, its very weird fogging that I've never seen before. Its Foma paper by the way, so not Forte, but I believe Freestyle may have a problem with their repackaging. Maybe they have a sloppy method of doing it when they split the paper up at their store or something? no idea.
     
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    i have some coming next week so i'll see what happens.

    when i ordered ,freestyle said when the current stock of arista is gone they will only carry the forte. i think he said rebranded kentmere and foma will be the only inhouse they carry.
     
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    The arista is repackaged Forte PWT. I have tested it. it is the same. I have been using PWT for about 11 years and can't see any difference with the Arista, other than the lower price., and the better packaging (The Forte gold boxes are terrible)
    Forte can be a little tricky, but it is a superb paper. Its is slower, but it is extremely receptive to toning. I use it with nelsons gold toner.
     
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    interesting, i have used Forte PWT and it tones much differently in selenium than the Arista.
     
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    That is interesting. I don't use selenium so I did not test the two papers with selenium. However, I did test them in using the pape rdevelopers I use most commonly,and tested them in the Nelsons Toner. There was virtually no difference. One of the unique characteristics of PWT is the pin white paper base. Most warm tone papers have more of a cream base. Both the Arista and the PWT have the exact same base.
    I asked Freestyle before I purchased the paper if it was indeed PWT. They replied that it was. Not that that would be a guarrantee, but i could not see any significant differentce between the teo papers other than minir differences to speed associated with emulsiuon lots.
    I have no explanation for your results, but I find it intersting enough to try the next time I print. I have boxes of both papers and some selenium laying around.