I thought I'd do some experiments win Ascorbic acid; I think I've found every link on the internet. Of course, many were Gainer's or he contributed to others. Since I'm not a big fan of time/temperature, my interests leaned towards divided development or reduced agitation stand development. So, at the suggestion of Jay de Fuhr (??) I mixed up as follows: 5 g Metol 20 g AA 20 g sodium sulfite (my contribution) I then added sodium bicarbonate until the fizzing stopped. pH, 8.4. For my Bath B, I used trisodium phosphate, tech grade, 1/2 tsp in a liter, pH 10.5. I intentionally wanted to try TSP at a low unbuffered rate for two reasons: One is I wanted high density areas to run out of steam, so to speak, and two, TSP doesn't swell gelatin and encourages finer grain (per Haist.) I developed a roll of TMY-2 at 3 minutes each bath at about 80 degrees. At a glance the frames looked nice, but not special. Well, once I put the loupe on them with a proper light source, I was astounded! Beautiful grain, lots of local contrast. They practically jumped out at me. Whoopee! Well, I can't duplicate that! I then developed a roll of Arista Premium 100. The shots tended towards muddy like overdevelopment everywhere, lots of fog (more like mud) in the low exposure zones. I ran test snippets, both of frames and just leader ends, watching the latter develop in the light. The latter always came to a good eyeball Dmax. So I'm thinking the developer had not lost its activity. I also tried a double dose of TSP for pH 11.5. I gave up and remade the developer. Slight variations: 17.6 g of AA, 4 g of sodium hydroxide. pH, 8.4. With some new test frames, like, dude, all but no development took place! Was my camera off? I'll have to check that. Dear Santa: all I want is the first result I got, all of the time! Now, let me tell you about my attempts at using ascorbic acid in reduced agitation/stand development. I won't go into a lot of detail (do I hear cheers?) but the bottom line is all I can get is mud. I developed a test frame using my metol/sodium sulfite dilute developer for 60 minutes, looks good. I add a small measured amount of ascorbic acid, I get mud. I took the above developer, diluted it, and got mud. Score, 0-2. I will double check my two camera's metering, but there are obviously other issues here. Is this weird or what? What say you?