At the risk of being scolded.....

Discussion in 'Large Format Cameras and Accessories' started by gnolanphotography, Apr 29, 2011.

  1. gnolanphotography

    gnolanphotography Member

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    OK, I am new to LF photography and started off with a Pacemaker Speed Graphic that I obtained a pretty reasonable price. After familiarizing myself with the controls on the camera I arrived at one simple question, do you remove the ground glass focusing screen prior to inserting the film holder and snapping a shot?
     
  2. David A. Goldfarb

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    You're not the first to ask that. No, the filmholder slips under the groundglass. Pull back on the edge of the frame, and you'll notice it's held down under spring tension. The groundglass frame will hold the filmholder in place. When the filmholder is in the camera, the film should be exactly at the same plane as the groundglass was when you were focusing.
     
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    David, thanks for not making me feel like an idiot :smile:
     
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    Dude, after years of doing this, last year :laugh:I went out and shot a batch of empty film holders.
     
  5. Ken Nadvornick

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    So during the second exposure I ever made on an 8x10 sheet of film...

    I pulled the wrong darkslide out of the holder...

    Care to guess where the first exposure was located??

    :sad:

    You're in pretty good - or at least pretty empathetic - company around here.

    Ken

    P.S. Welcome to the site...
     
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    "French film", people used to call that, or so I read somewhere. I don't know why.

    I've certainly never done it. When I shoot without film in the holder, it's just for practice. Yup.

    -NT
     
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    :laugh: Been there as well , back when I had my 4x5 , and have shot on the backing paper on my 220 film when I forgot to wind the Hasselblad's film magazine. Ah all those imaginary images.
     
  8. Greg Davis

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    If you haven't made at least a dozen different mistakes while shooting large format, you aren't doing it right.
     
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    A dozen?

    That's just the qualifications for your Tenderfoot badge.

    And I'll freely admit that I asked *EXACTLY* the same question as the OP with my first LF camera.
     
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    My mission is to invent new dumb-a$$ mistakes in my LF pursuits! :D
    I seem to be doing a good job at it too. :whistling:
     
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    Drat! I hate competition.
     
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    We should form a "Dumb-a$$ LF Goof-up Society!"
     
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    I would have to be a charter member. :whistling:

    You can also add " Pulling out the holder before replacing dark slide. "
     
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    Two shots on IR820 film - f22@2Sec.... Then realised the IR filter was still in my pocket.

    Set up for another shot elsewhere, pulled the dark slide out and went to cock the shutter. Darned preview lever was engaged preventing the shutter being fired.

    That folks, is just from today's catalogue of cockups.
     
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    We may actually want to have a sticky of just LF screwups. That will help keep threads from repeating themselves.
     
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    Helpful reminder if you miss it.
    1. Remember to mark which film in which slot in the holder if you are loading multiple different type of film. I once loaded 3 different type of film in a set of holder and realized the mistake of not marking after reaching the ground.
    2. Your holder has a white/ silver and black side on the handle where you pull it out. You can use it to mark if the film is already exposed.
    3. Make sure you insert the film holder fully into the back and pull dark slide fully out.
    4. Drill into yourself to close the shutter before pulling the dark slide.

    @Greg Davis
    Good idea, we can have a guide from how to load film to standard operation of LF camera when on the field. Warning on LF screwups can be added on along the way as a warning.
     
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    You are doing fine, I once forgot to slot back all the dark slide when loading the film in a changing bag. 1 pack of velvia 50 gone. :pouty:
     
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    Check out graflex.org for instructions, directions, ...

    Steve
     
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    There's always a new way to make a mistake.
    Yesterday I managed to yank a film holder out by its half pulled dark slide because it bent up against the tripod and bound in the holder. I was shooting in the snow with the dark cloth tented over the whole camera, so I pulled the slide down and normally I don't do that on verticals.
    When you find a good routine, repeat it if possible. If you do something slightly different, expect it might screw up in some unforeseeable fashion.
     
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    who needs LF to goof? I started developing an empty tank+spiral this morning, started wondering "is this the EI1600 or EI400 roll" ... "oh, it's neither and now both my spirals are wet".
     
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    Done all that

    Yup, I have done almost all of the above while learning LF and still manage to mess up now!

    Paul
     
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    There's a reason why so many large format shooters are humble, easy going people. :wink:

    Mike
     
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    It could double as a LF Bucket List....:whistling:

    Bob
     
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    I've been shooting LF for the past 5 months now. In a short amount of 5 minutes time, I've done every single one of those mistakes.

    1. exposed before putting the filter on
    2. exposing with the preview engaged
    3. removing the holder before replacing the darkslide
    4. removing the wrong darkslide

    some other ones
    1. exposing on the timer mode, when i thought i was set at 1 second.
    2. forgetting to set the aperture, leaving it at its widest setting
    3. forgetting to decare my wooden field camera to australian customs. (This one could have gotten really messy)
    4. forgetting to remove the back lens cap from the lens (This one took me a full minute to trouble shoot)
    5. forgetting to BRING a cable release
     
  26. jerry lebens

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    It's a well known fact that commercial photographers never, ever, make such stupid mistakes...

    :whistling: