Aviphot Chrome 200 slide film test results

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  1. destroya

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    First off, let me say that this is a test, only a test. I was not doing this to show off my horrible photo skills, just to see what the film was capable of. I just took a bunch of photos of places close by my house that I visit often. this way i have a better mental idea of what the photo should look like so i can compare it to what is on the film. I wanted to get in and out so I could get home to develop the film last night. I now realize i have no pictures of people. sorry about that. But lets get a few things out of the way first

    1) the film was shot on a Nikon F4 using 3 lenses. Nikon 17-35, Nikon 50mm 1.8d, and a Nikon 70-300 VRii G zoom.
    2) To keep it simple I left the camera on P mode (so I could use the G lens) and used matrix metering.
    3) Film was shot at 200 iso setting
    4) film was developed in Tetenal E-6 chems, 3 bath plus stab
    5) Scanned on a minolta dimage scan elite 5400 using vuescan
    6) vuescan. first was a raw DNG scan 64bit RGBI with no corrections. second vuescan pass was done to run infrared cleaning. no grain reduction. color balance was set to neutral. scan saved as uncompressed TIFF
    7) TIFF was opened in photoshop only to resize to a JPG that could be uploaded to the site.

    There were no corrections of any kind used except for cleaning. no sharpening, color adjustments, white balance adjustments and so on. I was hoping to show as best I could just what is on the film.

    A few observations....

    1) this film is thin compared to all other slide films I've used in 35mm
    2) after drying and cutting it had a bad corkscrew curl to it.
    3) this is a very grainy film. reminds me a lot of fuji superia 200. this is not a pro film but more like an consumer film.
    3) no yellow cast to my eyes

    I am open to questions and suggestions. if its possible I will take suggestions about other things to shoot.
    brick.jpg creek.jpg fence.jpg tree.jpg hanging flowers.jpg flowers.jpg street.jpg big tree.jpg _DSC4526.jpg _DSC4527.jpg

    john
     
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    It looks quite like the Rollie Digibase 200 ISO where the grain is concerned. You don't think it could be the same film under a different alias? Digibase has a acetate base and cannot be torn, it is thin but doesn't curl as you described.
     
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    -) this film should have a PET base of 100µm

    -) I assume design of the emulsion to be from the early 90's



    (And thank you for the blossoms, we still had snow the last days...)
     
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    I have just had a look at the last image and yes it is made by AGFA as is Digibase. One and the same.
     
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    I added the picture after your first post as an FYI
     
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    Buying in bulk

    Can I ask where you got it from? I assume not from UK but there have been a few asking for it so I could prompt one of the usual outlets to see if they can get some. How much was it if you don't mind me asking?
     
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    got it from here. Paid about $68 US including shipping. took a week to get here

    http://wittner-cinetec.com/katalog/04_filmm/kleinbild.php#3004

    there is a thread about the film here which has more info. This post is what prompted me to give the film a chance.

    http://www.apug.org/forums/forum40/...-aviphot-chrome-200-sliide-film-yellow-4.html

    Also, here is the PDF about the film

    http://wittner-cinetec.com/katalog/04_filmm/download/en_3004.pdf
     
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    destroya,

    Thank you for biting the bullet and trying this out for us! The grain looks somewhat consistent to the Digibase CR200 I've used, although it's a bit finer in your examples. Unfortunately, I don't have a proper scanner so we can't do a direct comparison.

    I might buy one of these reels myself. My number one staple for years was Velvia 100, then I switched to the two versions of Ektachrome just before they were discontinued. Now that I running low on my remaining Kodak film, I'm trying to decide what I want to do next.

    Thank you again for sharing.
     
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    Yay!!! The film looks good, No Yeller cast, good color rendering.

    Well, I am still waiting for my 100' roll from Wittner-Cinetec, any day now it should arrive, I don't do home E-6 so I will send my test roll to a reputable lab.

    Thank You so much Destroya! You have done well!

    Conclusions may be drawn........

    Those vendors of the "Piss-A-Chrome" CR-200 now have a bit to consider......
     
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    Thanks John, The pictures look great. Did you project them?

    I will probably order 100ft of this.

    You efforts and contributions are appreciated.
     
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    New product offering from Wittner-Cinetec.

    Anyone up for a 100 foot roll of Agfa Aviphot Chrome 200 35mm in Non Perforated film?

    Not sure who would want 35mm non perforated film but here is bound to be a need somewhere......

    I wonder if Wittner-Cinetec might offer a 100 foot roll of this film in 46mm non perforated for those that "Roll their Own" 127 format film?

    Now if these nice folks would offer sheet film sizes that would totally Haul Ass!
     

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    Many thanks for the contribution, John.

    Besides, this film has a market - at the moment - which entirely leaves the consumer demand aside. Even if all other slide film had to go out of production - or become so expensive as to be a luxury for the happy few - this film should remain in production "forever" or at least until its base market remains analogue.
     
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    Thanks for the sample pics. The film looks quite "usable", no particular color casts, maybe a bit grainy for a 200ASA film but difficult to judge without seeing an original transparency...could be something in scanning. I wonder if, in its original form as an aerial film, it would be used in a much larger format than 35mm, so that any grain would not be a significant issue?
     
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    The base market for this film is changing rapidly.
     
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    I can't get your link to wrk AgX? Nice to see this is also available in non perf for 828 Bantam and 126 folks etc…
     
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    Link seems to work now. It is your very own thread... on type 126.
     
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    Well, in addition to photographers, there'll soon be demand from a whole different group of people. After all, the main reason why Wittner does have this film in its catalog is that they are just about to offer it for motion picture use. Some of you might have noticed that in Wittner's catalog there are already mentions (however no prices yet) of Aviphot in super-8 and 16mm. There is real hope that it'll be offered in a lower price than the other color films available at the moment. Because it's reversal, it's something many small format users are most interested in -- after all, then there is no need to first digitize the film before being able to project it.

    However, because of all this I wouldn't expect too much from Wittner concerning different film sizes. After all, they are first and foremost motion picture film company. But if AgX is correct about the changing trends concerning aerial film usage, maybe Agfa doesn't mind other companies having interest in distributing this film in different sizes -- provided of course that they order large enough quantity of this film?
     
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    That Maco so far did not offer any of their colour films as sheet film might already be an indicator on the market stuation.
    Alternatively you might cut it down yourself from a 9.5" spool.
     
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    Thanks for the Wittner link. Finally I found a reliable shop selling Orwo 54 bulk rolls within EC.
     
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    Hi everybody!

    The results are finally in!

    I packaged my 100 foot roll of Agfa Aviphot 200 E-6 color slide film 35mm, I got 20 36 exposure rolls with lots of frames leading and trailing to take care of the fiber optic type "Light Piping" characteristic of Agfa's Polyester base films.

    The two test rolls shot look absolutely wonderful! Just like the former Agfa RSX II 200 slide film, with just a touch of warmth bias charateristic of the much beloved Agfa slide films, I am not seeing any grain per se, just great color slide film with excellent color rendition.

    Shame on Maco.de for packaging rotten damaged yellow color slide film from AGFA! Shame on the folks at Lomography for packaging and selling rotten yellow damaged color film from Agfa!
    Shame on all the other vendors that are in "Denial" about selling Rollei CR-200 and Lomography X-pro 200 as being a neutral color rendering slide film! I would say Freestyle Photo in Hollywood is one of the most in denial about their "Yellow" Rollei CR-200 slide film, But Oh! they will give you a refund if you are not satisfied! Really useful after spending 10 bucks to get this bad roll developed! Really helpful!

    Wittner-Cinetec in Germany who has packaged FRESH, not old crappy yellow Agfa Aviphot 200 Chrome E-6 slide film from Agfa Belgium in 35mm X 100 foot rolls is a true hero for those of us that crave real and fresh AGFA RSX II 200 ASA color slide film.

    This film looks absolutely fabulous! I had mine processed by a local lab that does E-6 with the Refrema "Dip and Dunk" system.

    Perhaps we could get Wittner-Cinetec to cut and roll us some 120 film? Meanwhile if you want 120 film you can get "Puke Yellow" agfa slide film from Maco/Rollei or the Lomography people, Bleah!
     
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    A little late to this but thank you for the info. I really have been wanting to grab bulk rolls of color reversal like the old days.
     
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    I was getting ready to pull the trigger on a couple cans but had to contact Dwaynes about some other processing I need and asked them about this film. They will not process it due to the polyester base.

    Anyone know of a place in the Midwest that will process this stuff?

    Not quite ready to start processing E-6 at home. Once the new darkroom is finished, maybe next year, I can.
     
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    If you're near St. Louis Missouri or Springfield Illinois, inquire at Creve Coeur Camera. They had no problem with the CR-200 (though it was very yellow). I'm contemplating ordering some of the 135-36 Wittner Chrome 200D from them as other people are reporting that theirs doesn't suffer from the horrible yellows like the Rollei CR-200 does.
     
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    I got no idea what is so special with their processors (or makes people at Dwaynes think so). There is a long history on automated processing of Polyester based films.

    Well, the only thing I can think of are missing friction clutches in the drive-system.