B+W 67E 023 filter. What is it?

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  1. JeffD

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    I purchased a filter on EBAY, thinking I was purchasing a "deep yellow" filter (I already have a light yellow filter).

    The filter is labeled B+W 67E 023 3x

    The filter, however, looks way more like an orange filter, when compared to the yellow filter I already have.

    Does anyone know what exactly I purchased? I couldn't reference it on the the B+W site. I don't know what the 67E refers to, but 023, I believe, should indicate a deep yellow filter. The filter is sized to fit 67mm lens diameter, though.

    ideas?
     
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    I think that the 23 filters are supposed to be orange. Deep yellow might be seen as 12 or 15. 25 filter is red.

    3x might refer to exposure compensation though it seems a bit much for an orange filter IMHO.
     
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    B+W has this information on their site. Looks like a filter factor of 3 (That is not three stops, rather three times the exposure, about a stop and a half) and it should be deep yellow. I have some deep yellow filters that look pretty orange myself, so I am guessing that is what it is. The 67E is the thread diameter and pitch, I believe, and as you found, it is just a standard 67mm diameter filter thread.

    Paul
     
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    ok, I just found out that 67e is the german notation for 67mm from the folks at filter connection.

    This thing is very orange, though. When I lay it on a a white sheet of paper, the hue looks almost the same as my Tiffen orange 16 filter.

    Disappointing, as I was expecting a high quality truly deep yellow filter.

    Arg!
     
  5. Nick Zentena

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    a #15 [Deep yellow] and a #16 [light orange] aren't that different. According to B&W that is thier version of a #15.
     
  6. David A. Goldfarb

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    The 023 isn't too different from a Wratten 15, as Nick says. Both are a little orangeish. Try it before returning it. I like it when I want something stronger than yellow, but not as dramatic as orange.
     
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    Well, no doubt about it. The B+W is orange, not yellow, with a little orange. It is ORANGE! I guess maybe there is variation between manufacturers over what an 023 should be, but this is an orange filter! I have a Tiffen 16 orange, which seems like the same hue, and it is ok, but I prefer yellow, as I am concerned that orange will just kill the tones on green vegetation too much.

    I have a yellow filter, with is labeled as a k2, and has about a 2x factor. Was hoping for something a little deeper, but still yellow. Heliopan makes a yellow 4x, but, who knows. I might order it and get an orange filter too!
     
  8. Nick Zentena

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    You could look for a Wratten number 12. Don't know what that is in the German system.
     
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    Jeff,

    Though I haven't shot B&W for a very long time, I would suggest that you follow David's suggestion and test it before sending it back. You may want to test it against your other filters including your K2 yellow and your Tiffen 16 orange filters. Keep careful notes. Even though it looks more orange than you think or want, the film may not react as you expect.

    Rich
     
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    A really useful booklet from B+W is their catalog, if you can get hold of one. Try calling Schneider USA My biggest problem is fin ding it when I need the information.
    According to the book a B+W 023 is a dark yellow with a factor of 3 and has no Wratten equivalent.
    The book I have lists the following:
    B+W # (wratten #)
    UV (010)
    021 light yellow (2E)
    022 med yellow (8)
    023 dark yellow ---
    040 yellow-orange (16)
    041 red-orange (22)

    You also have to keep in mind appearance isn't everything and the response B&W film is not the same as the eye's response.
     
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    Golly - gee, can somebody who actually owns and uses this exact filter for the past 5 years take a wild guess at what it is?
    :smile:

    Okay, I lied, I actually have been using the 022, not the 023. Buy close enough for horseshoes and handgrenades, eh?

    At the time I bought my 022, it was, supposedly according to the camera store sales guy, the deepest "yellow" they sold in B+W filters before you got into the orange range. In fact, I have 041 that was once described as "orange-red", and when I want something really dramatic, that's about as far as I go. Personally I only use the deep red when shooting infra-red. Anyhow, for making white clouds stand out against a blue sky without the sky going all dark on you, the 022 is pretty good for me. Past that, you start getting darker/blacker skies.

    However, there is a bone of contention here as to yellow vs orange, as my 022 only says "medium yellow", not a deep yellow - but then isn't "deep yellow" really an orange or amber? To others around who saw the filters higher than 022 when I bought mine, everything came across as more of a light orange. Your milage may vary.

    As for the "3X" not sure what to tell you. My 022 says "2X" as as far as exposure compensation goes, when using it, I have always shot my 400 film - be it T-Max, Tri-x, HP5, etc, etc, at 200 ASA, and never had a problem. For the 041 filter, the orange-red one, it says "4x" on it, so for it I meter at 100 ASA, and again, things seem to be bang on for me.

    The "67E" is the filter size. I own a couple of of B+W filters in 67mm size, and all of them say "67E"

    If already own a light yellow filter, well then try this one out - I think you will find there are times when it is useful, because realistically I find that even orange filters are too "dramatic" save for certian shots. For everyday use in landscapes, this one may be just right.

    If you are feeling exceptionally silly some day, try out a B+W 091 deep, deep red filter. Outside of use for IR film, it makes almost any other emulsion, from tech pan to tri-x, come out looking almost like lithographic film. Develop in D-19, and you do have litho-film! Oh yeah, it has "8X" on it - hey, I didn't you always want to shoot 12.5 ASA film!
    :smile:

    joe
     
  12. Nick Zentena

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    Well no-) I've got a 22 and it's not a deep yellow. According to B&W it's similar to a #8 Wratten. Visually it looks deeper yellow but that may not be a good comparison of what light it passes.

    The 23 is supposed to be similar to a Wratten #15. That skips the #12. That makes the 22 two grades less yellow if I can put it that way.
     
  13. MichaelBriggs

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    I've picked up a bunch of used B+W filters by patiently waiting for bargins. I have three 023 filters in different sizes. Two are definitely yellow. One is an unquestionably different color that is distinctly orange. B+W gets their glass from Schott with the color determined by the composition of the glass. I guess that Schott has a QC problem with this glass type and doesn't always get the same color (or at least once missed). (Another possibility is that B+W isn't controlling the thickness of these filters.) This is the only B+W filter, of any color, that I have ever seen with a noticable deviation in color. Perhaps JeffD has another filter from this orange batch, or perhaps this is a recurring problem with this particular glass. I'm not sure which is supposed to be the correct color. I'm inclined to think that it is intended to be yellow-orange because 023 is about one-third of the way (based on the spectra in the catalog) from 022 to 041(red-orange, which I also have one of) and the yellow version of the 023 isn't different enough from 022. The orange shade version of 023 also better matches the color in the printed B+W catalog.
     
  14. Michael Kadillak

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    I have the exact filter you are talking about and use it all the time. IT LOOKS ORANGE UNTIL YOU LOOK THROUGH IT AT THE SKY - then you can clearly see it is a dark yellow.

    Great filter that fits the desired niche in your filter collection.

    Like the old Life Cereal commercial goes - "Try it you'll like it."

    Cheers!