Berlebach with leveling center column.

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  1. waynecrider

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    I'm looking at the Berlebach's with the leveling center column. Can anyone comment on the stability when the column is raised. I tend to shoot at eye level and would have to raise the 8043 column about 9 inches if I choose that model.
     
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    Hi Wayne,

    I have neither used nor seen the Berlebach tripods. I would however, caution the use of or limiting the amount of extension using the center column of any tripod unless necessary. The greater the extension the more the monopod on top of a tripod type of affect.

    Rich
     
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    I have that tripod. With the center column extended it would have the same properties as any other. Also, if the center column is shifted off center to level the head it might be less stable. I purchased the short column which does not extend and it is very stable. I recommend that you buy legs that are long enough that you don't need to extend the center column or you will negate the purpose of the tripod.

    Also, keep in mind with the Berleback that if you need to shift the column off center that the long center post will bump into the tripod legs and be limited in movement.
     
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    What camera will you be putting on the tripod?
     
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    Hi Wayne,

    I did much the same as Jerold with my new Gitzo 1257LVL tripod. I removed the center column and replaced it with a short column. If I wish to still use the level that attaches to the bottom of the center column, I had a machine shop make an extension that screws into the bottom of the short column and also allows the hook and the level to screw into the bottom of the extension (the extension can be removed when the tripod has to be brought close to the ground). I try not to use center columns as much as possible, but I am vertically challenged at 5' 6".

    Rich
     
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    I have a Berlebach 8043. It is a nice tripod. I love the built in pseudo ball head but frankly, the center column is a nuisance. I wish I had the short column. I'm 6 foot but rarely shoot with the legs fully extended, let alone with the column extended. The regular column limits the minimum camera height to about two feet.

    All that said, the column is plenty sturdy for any 35mm slr that I can imagine. Might be OK for a smallish medium format rig - like a hassy. No, I don't think I'd feel real comfortable proping an RB67 atop the fully extended center column...It would likely be fine but, I'd be nervous.
     
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    Have also a look to the Wolfs I personal find them better then Berlebachs!
    http://www.wooden-tripods.com/
    Have no conection to the company only a happy buyer of a tripod!
    Take care, Armin
     
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    Hmm. Wayne, you're where I was early last year. Contemplating. But I had a constraint/asset you don't, in the form of a Bogen 3115/Manfrotto 196 ball leveler. This bon-bon sits on the platform, goes between it and the tripod head.

    Because I had the 3115 -- visit Bogen's site to find the current equivalent -- I ended up getting a Berlebach with a plain top instead of a Berlebach with built-in leveler. I got an 8023G rather than some other Berlebach without leveler because when I went shopping Finger Lakes Photographic was selling 8023Gs for $125.

    The 8023 at full height plus 3115 plus head (Bogen 3047/Manfrotto 029) puts my 2x3 Speed or Nikon at eye height. For reference, I'm 5' 11".
     
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    I have the 2042 "Report" with the ball-column and I would just recommend that you use caution when adjusting the column with a camera on board as the column can slip fast and hard (if you're not careful) and you could easily get a finger or two pinched wickedly and the camera may well end up on the ground. Make sure that you have a good grip on the camera before turning the knob!

    The higher the camera is elevated from the crown of the tripod, the less stable the set-up becomes but the 8043 should be able to handle a 9" rise with relative ease.
     
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    Mostly a 501Cm and 35mm Nikon. Maybe an RB67 once in awhile.

    Dan the 8023 I see is a standard columned pod. the **03's and **13's are standard no columns. The whole idea for me was to get around putting a ballhead on top, so the leveler was attractive. I'm also conscious of the weight and travel length as I fly to AZ a couple of times a year to see family and go hiking.

    I think that I may pass and buy something else.
     
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    Hi Wayne,

    Using the level adjustment without the use of a ball head (later found I needed at least a panning head with Arca type QR) was my initial thought for a very light weight backpacking tripod- thus the Gitzo 1257LVL (and planned to replace the long with the short column) to be used with my Linhof Technikardan 45S. However, as I thought about it and then played with this combination, I found that though I could level the tripod and camera, I could envision that there were going to be many many times that I was going to have to adjust the tripod leg lengths to position the camera the way that it would be needed (which would be potentially dangerous with the camera loaded on the tripod). So as it turns out, I abandoned the idea of the Really Right Stuff panning head with a QR and decided on getting the Markins M20 Ball with a Kirk 2 1/2" QR which included a bulls eye level to be used with the tripod.

    Rich
     
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    wayne,
    You could make a "riser" to fit on the leveling ball. 3 or 4" dia. hardwood dowel with a 3/8-16 thread on the bottom & 3/8 or 1/4" stud on the top.
    I would compromise about the height & go fo 3-4" & live with bending over a bit.
     
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    Well I looked over the Wolf tripods and they seem very nice, but the model I like, the standard leveler ball no column, http://www.wooden-tripods.com/compact.htm is a little long for transport being from what I remember about 34". I figured a B3 head in my pocket would give me a few more inches. The closest model Berlebach in height is shorter, heavier and more expensive.
     
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    When I bought my Berlebach tripod with the leveling column, I thought I would get a Really Right Stuff quick release plate to put on the column so that I could save alot of weight. However, the Really Right Stuff stuff is very expensive so in the end I bought an Acratech ball head that works very well with my Toyo 4x5 field camera. I like the combo.
     
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    I was watching the Brett Weston DVD and noticed that he had an old beat up metal tripod and the center column was extended about half way up. He was using a Rollei 66 on it and the tripod had a ball head also. You wouldn't think that the setup would yield very good results, he reportedly used Agfa Pan 25 around that time, but his prints are sharp as a tack. He simplified and his technique was superb.