Better than FR tank for 4x5 that isn't discontinued?

Discussion in 'B&W: Film, Paper, Chemistry' started by JohnRichard, Nov 7, 2013.

  1. JohnRichard

    JohnRichard Member

    Messages:
    263
    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2008
    Location:
    Lexington, K
    Shooter:
    4x5 Format
    I have been disheartened lately. I have been shooting more and more 4x5 but this damned FR tank has been giving me poor and more poor results, sometimes even complete failure. At least in the past I could get something out of it.
    Now, when I search for a replacement tank, or something I might use it seems everything has been discontinued? I'm no stranger to internet sites (auction or other), but the more I look the more frustrated I become.

    I want to continue to shoot 4x5, but I don't want to have to send it off because development options are no longer available. I have rare use of a darkroom, so a daylight safe option would be best. I can load in complete darkness at home, no problem.

    At this point I am considering waiting until 10pm, throwing a brown safe light in my desklamp and tray developing on my bedroom dresser! At least then I KNOW I'll get something, anything! I've never tray developed sheet film but I've been reading more and more about it. Perhaps it is the way to go.


    Thanks.
     
  2. thegman

    thegman Member

    Messages:
    623
    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2010
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    I am about to try the "taco method" for developing 4x5, but not tried it yet. You could try a Yankee tank? I've not tried these things, but just some ideas to research.
     
  3. Kevin Caulfield

    Kevin Caulfield Subscriber

    Messages:
    3,386
    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2004
    Location:
    Melbourne, A
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    I find the Combi Plan tank very easy to use, but I believe they have been discontinued. You may get one at a reasonable price.
     
  4. Tom1956

    Tom1956 Inactive

    Messages:
    2,057
    Joined:
    May 6, 2013
    Location:
    US
    Shooter:
    Large Format
    Yes the FR leaks, but try 6 at the time instead of 12, so you skip every other slot. Works better.
     
  5. StoneNYC

    StoneNYC Subscriber

    Messages:
    8,200
    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2012
    Location:
    Connecticut,
    Shooter:
    8x10 Format
    MOD54 and Paterson tank is really the only IN PRODUCTION item.

    Takes 6 sheets, it's not hard to use, you DO have to use VERY gentile agitation.

    There are two complaints.

    Sheets dislodge

    Sheet finger contact points leave scratches.

    With GENTLE agitation / inversion neither of those happen.

    MOD54 Large Format Film Processor

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/906271-REG
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Nov 10, 2013
  6. Regular Rod

    Regular Rod Member

    Messages:
    671
    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2012
    Location:
    Derbyshire
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    They are discontinued but not hard to find on eBay... Expect to pay about £140.

    http://freepdfhosting.com/f640343f29.pdf

    RR
     
  7. jnanian

    jnanian Advertiser Advertiser

    Messages:
    19,975
    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2003
    Location:
    local
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    hi john

    id try to tray process, it really is not as difficult as it seems
    AND you can do it anywhere where the lights are off. while i have FR tanks
    hangers, a rubber band and film tank and a rotary processor i would rather tray process, its a no-brainer ...
    that is, unless you don't have anyplace where it is dark, then it won't work.
    john
     
  8. rjbuzzclick

    rjbuzzclick Member

    Messages:
    313
    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2010
    Location:
    Minneapolis
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    I use paper drums for 4x5 and develop up to four sheets at a time with just 200ml of chemistry.
     
  9. Karl A

    Karl A Member

    Messages:
    74
    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2013
    Location:
    Toronto, ON
    Shooter:
    4x5 Format
    Not sure if you're joking about the safe light, because you can't use one with any panchromatic films, only orthochromatic. All you need to tray process is a few trays and a completely dark place, probably the same place you load the film holders. In my case, that is my bathroom. :smile:
     
  10. Karl A

    Karl A Member

    Messages:
    74
    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2013
    Location:
    Toronto, ON
    Shooter:
    4x5 Format
  11. fotch

    fotch Member

    Messages:
    4,824
    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2005
    Location:
    SE WI- USA
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    How about the Nikor SS reels/tanks? I heard they work pretty good although I never used one myself.
     
  12. StoneNYC

    StoneNYC Subscriber

    Messages:
    8,200
    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2012
    Location:
    Connecticut,
    Shooter:
    8x10 Format
    First the OP said CURRENTLY PRODUCED and second those are VERY hard to come by, still haven't found one, and they are super expensive...
     
  13. JohnRichard

    JohnRichard Member

    Messages:
    263
    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2008
    Location:
    Lexington, K
    Shooter:
    4x5 Format
    Thanks for responses!

    I don't mind out of production, as long as it's relatively easy to obtain.

    Also, Gentile agitation made me laugh very much - but I'm Anglican, so works for me.
     
  14. Sponsored Ad
  15. WetMogwai

    WetMogwai Member

    Messages:
    154
    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2009
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    The current version of the Mod54 doesn't have the problems of the earlier ones. I'm not particularly gentle with my agitation and I've never had any film come loose. I've even processed Rollei IR400, which is really thin, in it and had no processing problems.
     
  16. StoneNYC

    StoneNYC Subscriber

    Messages:
    8,200
    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2012
    Location:
    Connecticut,
    Shooter:
    8x10 Format
    Go for the MOD54 and paterson tank, no more leaking developer, and no more uneven development. All the images I have posted shot on 4x5 were done in the MOD54 except I think the pipe smoker image.
     
  17. WetMogwai

    WetMogwai Member

    Messages:
    154
    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2009
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    I just remembered one processing problem I had with the Mod 54, but it wasn't the reel's fault. The Paterson tank isn't perfectly light tight, so it can have light leaks if you don't have the lid on. It can handle subdued light with the lid off. I use the safelight any time I have the lid off.
     
  18. Roger Cole

    Roger Cole Member

    Messages:
    5,479
    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2011
    Location:
    Atlanta GA
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    That's not quite true. You can use a very dim green (not brown) safelight, briefly, after half way through development. The film is less sensitive due to being partially developed, and green happens to the color your eyes are most sensitive to so it can be bright enough (barely) to be of some use without fogging the film. Many people develop sheet film by inspection this way. Plenty of books give instructions.

    It takes some practice to make useful judgements of density with the very dim light and film that hasn't been cleared in the fixer, but some people find it useful.
     
  19. StoneNYC

    StoneNYC Subscriber

    Messages:
    8,200
    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2012
    Location:
    Connecticut,
    Shooter:
    8x10 Format
    you must have had a really defective model... I once took mine into the bright sunlight just to test it, lid off, and had no fogging issues at all .... are you sure you've snapped the thing in correctly? you need to turn and lock the lid...
     
  20. MattKing

    MattKing Subscriber

    Messages:
    16,809
    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2005
    Location:
    Delta, BC, Canada
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Which version of the Paterson tanks are you using?

    I use the current Paterson Super System 4 tanks and regularly load them one night and actually develop the film a day or two later.

    I have had one tank, however, where the red ring that is integral to the locking of the lid (not the cap) was loose at a couple of points. A small amount of strategically placed adhesive re-attached that red ring.
     
  21. polyglot

    polyglot Member

    Messages:
    3,472
    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2009
    Location:
    South Austra
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    What about BTZS tubes or drums? I've seen some home-made tube/drum systems made from PVC pipe and screw-on endcaps.
     
  22. LJH

    LJH Member

    Messages:
    712
    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2008
    Location:
    Australia
    Shooter:
    ULarge Format
    Jobo Multi tanks and Expert tanks are easily obtainable. DIY roller bases are easy to make. Fair bit out there on Google.
     
  23. miha

    miha Member

    Messages:
    1,217
    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2007
    Location:
    Slovenia
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
  24. Captain_joe6

    Captain_joe6 Member

    Messages:
    194
    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2007
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    Shooter:
    8x10 Format
    I'm amazed it took 3 pages for someone to mention the Jobo 2590n. That's like the go-to tank for multi-sheet daylight processing of 4x5 film, used with or without the corresponding motorized processor. If you can get one with the loader base, its pretty awesome. On the flip side, if you've got hands that aren't freakishly small, they're easy enough to load up on their own. You just have to be patient with yourself. I've used them a number of times and haven't had a single issue.
     
  25. WetMogwai

    WetMogwai Member

    Messages:
    154
    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2009
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    I ordered the bundle, so my Mod54 came with a new Super System 4 tank. It locks. The red ring seems really tight. The lid is tight and hard to get on. As far as I can tell, everything is normal. My other Paterson tanks are System 4, so I haven't seen another Super System 4. Unfortunately, they're either too big or too small to use for 4x5. I've thought about getting another Mod54 so I can use the bigger tank, but I need a much larger changing bag if I'm going to load it.
     
  26. John Cee

    John Cee Subscriber

    Messages:
    13
    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2013
    Location:
    Phoenix, AZ
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    I process in normal room light with no fogging issues. I use both the MOD54 (for 4x5) and the Yankee daylight tank (for 2.25x3.25). One of the things that I discovered about the MOD54 the first time I used it is that the tank is not light proof without using the Paterson center reel support inserted into the MOD54. Give that a test if you are not already doing so.