Bronica ETR kit, should I buy it?

Discussion in 'Medium Format Cameras and Accessories' started by Nathan Riehl, Jul 12, 2013.

  1. Nathan Riehl

    Nathan Riehl Member

    Messages:
    212
    Joined:
    May 8, 2013
    Location:
    Melbourne, F
    Shooter:
    35mm
    Hello there fellow APUG users!

    So, a woman and her husband were given a Bronica ETR kit by a wedding photographer who moved to digital, but they have given up on it and are selling it to me. It comes with two Sunpak Thrystor flashes, two brackets for the flashes, two Pelican-like cases, an eye-level finder, a 120 back (maybe two, I'm not sure), a 75mm 2.8 lens, another unknown lens (they aren't sure what kind it is), and possibly some other stuff. All in all, she wants $260 for the kit. Does that seem fair on my end? I know the newer ETRS and ETR-Si are more desirable, but it doesn't matter to me. This is somewhat close to me, so I wouldn't need to pay shipping or anything.
     
  2. Tom1956

    Tom1956 Inactive

    Messages:
    2,025
    Joined:
    May 6, 2013
    Location:
    US
    Shooter:
    Large Format
    Doesn't sound too bad right off hand.
     
  3. Nathan Riehl

    Nathan Riehl Member

    Messages:
    212
    Joined:
    May 8, 2013
    Location:
    Melbourne, F
    Shooter:
    35mm
    Glad someone thinks so. It's only an hour away from me, and originally they wanted 300, but said they'd take 260. Which is good since that's about $15-20 in gas.
     
  4. Tom1956

    Tom1956 Inactive

    Messages:
    2,025
    Joined:
    May 6, 2013
    Location:
    US
    Shooter:
    Large Format
    Might want to scope them out on ebay. At a glance, prices look pretty cheap.
     
  5. Nathan Riehl

    Nathan Riehl Member

    Messages:
    212
    Joined:
    May 8, 2013
    Location:
    Melbourne, F
    Shooter:
    35mm
    Judging by eBay's prices on that particular model, it looks like I'm getting a good deal. Extra lens and a 120 back instead of a 220 back as well, so that saves me some trouble. I would like to have a WLF, but they're kind of expensive.
     
  6. Tom1956

    Tom1956 Inactive

    Messages:
    2,025
    Joined:
    May 6, 2013
    Location:
    US
    Shooter:
    Large Format
    No, you don't want a waist level. Be glad.
     
  7. jnanian

    jnanian Advertiser Advertiser

    Messages:
    20,251
    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2003
    Location:
    local
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    you might also want to check out KEH camera brokers
    they have a no hassle money back refund ...

    i'd pay with paypal and figure the camera + lenses need a CLA
    SO ... figure that into the asking price ...
    the reason i would pay with paypal is because if the camera
    is not as described you have 45 days to return it for a full refund ..
    sometimes people that acquire "stuff" lie through their teeth to sell it
    and say it is a like new wedding present or found in my grandma's attic or whatever
    and it turns out it was harvested at goodwill broken and marked-up 1000%

    at the very least ask if you can bring it to a repair guy and have it looked at
    ( like you would a car to a mechanic ) ...

    have fun !
    john
     
  8. Nathan Riehl

    Nathan Riehl Member

    Messages:
    212
    Joined:
    May 8, 2013
    Location:
    Melbourne, F
    Shooter:
    35mm
    Eh. I guess I could always use my Yashica-D for waist level shooting. I wish my T4 was the Super version with the tiny WLF, then I wouldn't complain at all, haha.
     
  9. Tom1956

    Tom1956 Inactive

    Messages:
    2,025
    Joined:
    May 6, 2013
    Location:
    US
    Shooter:
    Large Format
    That ETR and Mamiya 646 came out around 1976 or so, to be a wedding man's 35mm. Fast and easy without the grain. Personally I was never a big fan of waist finders. Just not a naturally comfortable motion. You can't see if people have their eyes closed, and slow. Furthermore I once dated a girl who was 5 feet tall and she eventually became a big time photographer. Imagine a midget like that with a waist level finder photographing regular people. All chins and nostrils.
     
  10. Nathan Riehl

    Nathan Riehl Member

    Messages:
    212
    Joined:
    May 8, 2013
    Location:
    Melbourne, F
    Shooter:
    35mm
    Good point, Tom. Definitely gives me insight. Especially since it will probably find itself sitting on a tripod once I get it. I took another look at the photo she sent and it looks like it comes with a bellows attachment and a second back. I'm definitely itching to give it a look.
     
  11. Paul Cunningham

    Paul Cunningham Subscriber

    Messages:
    232
    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2011
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Sounds like a reasonable price, not tooo wonderful. I just sold (Thurs.) an etrs plus 75mm, with metered prism for $235. I paid a good bit less than that a year ago.
    The extra lens would be nice, but great ones can be had for $65, depending on model. The extra 120 back is of course good, but perhaps not a necessity at all.
     
  12. Jeff Kubach

    Jeff Kubach Member

    Messages:
    6,926
    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2007
    Location:
    Richmond VA.
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    I would go for it.

    Jeff
     
  13. Nathan Riehl

    Nathan Riehl Member

    Messages:
    212
    Joined:
    May 8, 2013
    Location:
    Melbourne, F
    Shooter:
    35mm
    Okay, so apparently there wasn't an extra lens. She thought I meant filter. There are a few filters though, an extra back, a 75/2.8 lens, a non-metered prism (which is fine; I got a Minolta Flash Meter II for $4), a couple SunPak flashes and remote eyes, a speed trigger, and a couple pelican cases for it all. It was all in pristine condition (except the leather on the speed trigger is coming apart a little). Got it for $250.

    On another note, I found a Polaroid SX-70 Sonar OneStep at Goodwill for $20!
     
  14. Nathan Riehl

    Nathan Riehl Member

    Messages:
    212
    Joined:
    May 8, 2013
    Location:
    Melbourne, F
    Shooter:
    35mm
    Forgot to mention, it has a lens hood that have bellows that you adjust according to the attached lens' focal range. It came with a regular thread mount and a cross screen filter attachment.
     
  15. lxdude

    lxdude Member

    Messages:
    6,907
    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2009
    Location:
    Redlands, So
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    A little rubber cement will reattach the leatherette on the Speed Grip. Pliobond is what Bronica recommended.
    Which Sunpak flashes?
     
  16. Nathan Riehl

    Nathan Riehl Member

    Messages:
    212
    Joined:
    May 8, 2013
    Location:
    Melbourne, F
    Shooter:
    35mm
    Sunpak AP-52 Thyristor and Sunpak Auto 522 Thyristor.
     
  17. lxdude

    lxdude Member

    Messages:
    6,907
    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2009
    Location:
    Redlands, So
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    There is a mask plate that slides in the front for the longer focal lengths. Keh usually has them used for 49 cents.
     
  18. Nathan Riehl

    Nathan Riehl Member

    Messages:
    212
    Joined:
    May 8, 2013
    Location:
    Melbourne, F
    Shooter:
    35mm
    It came with the mask plate. I forgot to mention that.
     
  19. lxdude

    lxdude Member

    Messages:
    6,907
    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2009
    Location:
    Redlands, So
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Nice. I like the Sunpaks. I have the 555, and my Pentax flashes are made by Sunpak. They've been very reliable.
     
  20. wiltw

    wiltw Subscriber

    Messages:
    1,561
    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2008
    Location:
    SF Bay area
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    Back in the mid-90's when they were new, the ETRSi with speed grip, unmetered prism, 120 film magazine, 75mm lens and pro lens shade (the bellows unit) would have commanded $3100, and even with a number of things available on the used market it would have been $2200.
     
  21. Nathan Riehl

    Nathan Riehl Member

    Messages:
    212
    Joined:
    May 8, 2013
    Location:
    Melbourne, F
    Shooter:
    35mm
    I guess this is some serious equipment then. I'm glad I picked it up. I almost didn't, but I figured that if I wanted to, I could just buy other parts. Which I'm looking into doing. Might get an ETRSi body and a Polaroid back. I'm aware of the size of the exposure I get on the Polaroid shots, so it won't come as a surprise to me. It's probably just the side of me that gives into the more gimmicky part of photography, but I'd really love a 135W back for it.
     
  22. Tom1956

    Tom1956 Inactive

    Messages:
    2,025
    Joined:
    May 6, 2013
    Location:
    US
    Shooter:
    Large Format
    Already looking to buy new gadgets. Just use it--it's a perfectly good camera.To me, a camera spells g-a-s-o-l-i-n-e, which I can hardly afford to purchase to go places to use the cameras I've got.
     
  23. Nathan Riehl

    Nathan Riehl Member

    Messages:
    212
    Joined:
    May 8, 2013
    Location:
    Melbourne, F
    Shooter:
    35mm
    I'm currently using the camera I have, don't worry. I'm in no hurry. I just like to set up my long-term goals ahead of time. I find that my goals are easier to accomplish that way anyways. Looking forward to the RB67 vs. ETR shoot-off I have planned with my friend here, maderik.
     
  24. TheToadMen

    TheToadMen Subscriber

    Messages:
    3,031
    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2012
    Location:
    Netherlands, EU
    Shooter:
    Pinhole
    Hi,
    Congratulations on your new camera. It's a nice model.
    I use a Bronica SQ-B and RF-645 and love both cameras. Never used a ETR kit, but it is almost the "same type/system" as the SQ-B, only smaller and handier I guess.
    I love the Bronica lenses: they produce beautiful images. Your 75 mm lens is the standard format lens for the ETR film size.
    An extra film back is always nice for shooting B&W and colour simultaneously.

    So, go out, have fun and get to know your camera.
    And don't forget to post some images here ;-)
     
  25. Nathan Riehl

    Nathan Riehl Member

    Messages:
    212
    Joined:
    May 8, 2013
    Location:
    Melbourne, F
    Shooter:
    35mm
    I definitely plan on posting some pictures as soon as I can. I'll be having them scanned for me by the friend I'm doing that shoot with because I don't have a 120 scanner right now.