BW Photo vs Bromoil version

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  1. SirWilliam

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    If you look in my gallery I show 2 photos; One being a normal Photo in Black and White and the other is the same photo in a Bromoil. The scans were done fast and I did not take the photos out of the frames. The next scans will be better.

    Later Sir William
     
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    thanks for posting. I am getting ready to do some bromoils (hopefully by the end of the year).
     
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    Were the two photograpghs made from the same negative? I will be very interested to see the repost.
     
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    Hi gma
    Yes they were both made the same day from the same negtive. Only the bromoil was bleached and black ink put over the paper again to get the Bromoil effect.

    later
    Sir William
     
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    It looks really interesting - the pictoralist effect of bromoil print really intrigue me. What the most reasonable source of materials to start with bromoils?
     
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    Hi Juraj Kovacik

    Not knowing where you are from here is a website that offers a Start kit for Bromoils

    http://www.firstcall-photographic.c...Printing Processes/Fotospeed Bromoil Kit.html

    Here are books in pdf format you can dowload for free.
    http://alt-photo.com/alt-photo/bromoil/reading room.html

    So I hope this will help

    Later
    Sir William
     
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    I'm from Bratislava, Slovakia, so UK shop is OK for me. It is not cheap, but it looks I'm going to try it. Thanks for tip.

    JK
     
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    I've ordered and they wrote me from firstcall back with this:

    Regarding your export order, as we have no spare capacity for export orders right now, we cannot unfortunately accept your order at this time.

    If you care to reorder next month, we may be able to process your order then.
    This unusual situation has resulted from our major supplier, Ilford, going into receivership.
     
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    try Jand C for some bromoil paper, altho you can use several other regular papers.
    unblinkingeye has some information regarding this process.

    Bostick and Sullivan carries supplies (i.e. tutorial's and even a video. brushes, ink).

    just google on bromoil and you will find a lot of stuff. look for Gene Laughter website .

    I think there are several vendors in the UK who also carry materials in kit form, or you can start putting together items from other people who carry art supplies.
    I don't know why Ilord's issue would impact this process, as everything we are using comes from other company's. However, one of the papers suggested is their matt paper, however, agfa or luminous charcoal is also on the suggested list.
     
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    thanks, Ann.

    JK
     
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    I've checked this www.bromoil.com - their basic kit is for 200 USD. If I ordered it and my wife discovered the sum, that would be something... unpleasant. it would be safer to find something cheaper...
     
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    Hi Juraj
    I have been on your website and I think that taking the photos you have and making then into Bromoils would be works of art. I find the Photos you have taken to be very pleasent to look at. Let me know if you tried to make a Bromoil. Small tip use photo paper that is thick enough to take the oil brush hitting the surface. If not the paper will rip on you. Plus keep the paper wet but not over wet. Start out wth just a little color on you brush and slowily hit the paper with the ink till the surface is completly covered with ink. Then work the oil into the paper hitting the surface over and over again till you get the effect you like. You can remove color to add high light to any area you want my using a gum eraser and making it wet. But wipe off the extra water. Then you can tuch the paper and rub off the color where you want to high light. Pick a gum eraser that can be shaped to a point. It is much easer to work with.
    Later
    Sir William

    PS then let the photo dry for 2 or 3 days. You can alwas go back and make changes later. Just rewet the photo paper again. The dried color will stay you can onl darken areas that need darkening.
     
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    Many thanks, Sir William, for your encouraging words and process instructions. I will post when I will do something - now I'm looking for some basic kit cheaper that one from bromoil.com. But it looks there isn't a lot of other ways
     
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    I didn't buy a kit. I just had a list of the tools (brushes, rollers, etc. ) and got them at various other stores rather than a photo store. Bought some ink at B&S.

    Gene Laughter recommends a varitey of tools other than bromoil specific brushes and if you look at his work i don't think you can tell the difference between a 5 dollar paint brush or a 160 dollar bromoil brush.
     
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    I think fotoimpex.de carries bromoil materials--probably cheaper and faster from Slovakia.
     
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    Juraj
    here is a basic list of some materials that you will need and that can be found at other places than photo stores;
    6 inch creamic tilies, brayer 2 inch hard, 4 inch form, kneadable eraser, saran wrap, paper towels, naptha to clean brushes and tiles. masking tape, palette knife, litho ink.large piece of heavy glass. brushes, stencil brushes can be used.

    then you will need either a bleaching kit or mix your own; bleach is made up of copper sulfate (100grams i 1000 ml of distilled water; potassium bromide ( 100g in 1000ml of distilled water) potassium dichromate (10g in 1000 ml of distilled water). use 70ml of the 10 % of copper and bromide with 30ml of the dichromate along with 830ml of distilled water. this will tan about 8 X 10's.

    you can use Afga 118, Ilford matte paper or Luninos charcoal paper rather than bromoil paper. Or, kentmere
    Use a weak paper developer and over expose about 1 fstop, be sure to use a non-hardening fixer. let the print dry. when you bleach, soak the print for about 5 minutes bleach, wash and re-fix in plain hypo or a non-hardening fixer. wash again, dry.
    then you are ready for the inking process.
     
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    Thank Ann for long short list. I have got only ceramic tiles at this time :smile: but I'm going to try look for other things. It looks I'm decided to try bromoil, you know that crawling on the skin and there is little or nothing I can do to avoid...
     
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    Ok I have upload the Original and the Bromoil Photo. I took them out of the frame this time.
     
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    very interesting picture. yes, I'm convicted.
     
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    For those who play with Digital Camera you can still make Analog Photos too.
    Here is a web site by Dan Burkholder who wrote a book on how to:
    Making Digital Negatives for Contact Printing I know that there are a lot of Analog Photographer who have Digital cameras. I for one have one too.
    Here is Dan Burkholder website:
    http://www.danburkholder.com/Pages/main_pages/page1_main.htm
    Later
    Sir william
     
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    well, my question about Dan's process is can you make a negative for projection rather than contact printing?
     
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    Well this would be a negitive that you would use in an enlarger to make prints. I would think you would need a positive for a projector. I have never seen sheet slides I could not read by holding them up to a light. I think the projector would show the negitive as a negitive on the screen? Even 35mm Slides are in the positive when showen in a slide projector.
    I myself have tried making negatives on a printer, I have taken the Photo Editor from MS and told it to change the photo to a negitive and print it out on transparency. I then put it in an enlarger and made prints from it. I have not made any Bromoils from them yet. Before I printed them out I made the photo the size of a med-format negative so it would fit in the enlarger. I would think you could make it as small as a 35mm negative but you would have to cut the transparency down before you print them not to waste the rest of the transparency.

    later Sir William
     
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    i may have used the word projection in the wrong way. instead of contact printing i want to repair a negative , have a new one made and then print it with traditional methods.