C41; What to buy, Where to go.

Discussion in 'Color: Film, Paper, and Chemistry' started by waynecrider, Jun 13, 2010.

  1. waynecrider

    waynecrider Member

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    I picked up a color enlarger recently to use and thought why not try some color work instead of my normal b&w. I've been reading the threads to get a hand on whats good or bad and trying to figure out how long the film/paper developers last and if I need to cold store film till it makes sense monetarily to develop it. I'm sitting on a 10 pack of 4x5 Portra and would love to practice with it doing tray work. I'll be contact printing only, the enlarger doesn't do 4x5. So I need help into the products to buy and what darkroom equipment I may need beyond my b&w stuff which is two Yankee tanks, cut film holders and a thermometer. I've got 3 small trays for 4x5 I can use. Will I need additional trays and bottles for storage if the solutions can be stored?
    I'm looking forward to seeing if it works out. I may just shoot more C41 in 4x5 if it does.
     
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    C-41 processing can be done with the same equipment you use for B&W film, although you will need to do it at a higher temperature (100F). This makes a water bath a practical necessity if you're using manual tanks or the like for film processing. Heated processing equipment is another way to go, but a much pricier one. If you're developing C-41 sheet film in trays, you'll need to keep the trays at 100F. I've not done this myself (I use 35mm and MF film), but I'd think a water bath would work for that, too; or maybe you could use heated pads.

    For making prints, temperature is less critical. I do RA-4 at room temperature, which ranges from 68F (20C) to 90F (32C) in my darkroom. (I have no central A/C.) I develop a little longer at cooler temperatures, and it's possible my filtration varies a bit. (I've not looked into this in detail.) Personally, I prefer doing RA-4 in open trays, just like B&W, but I get the impression that most people prefer drums because drums can be used in room light, much like film tanks.

    My experience is that C-41 and RA-4 developers last for months in stock form, but they go bad pretty quickly (in a few days) at working strength. C-41 bleach lasts a very long time, and C-41 fixer is much like most B&W fixers; it lasts weeks or months. RA-4 blix, by its nature, is unstable. I'm not sure how long it lasts, but I try to use it within two or three days of mixing it. Given all this, I wouldn't worry about cold-storing your film before processing it, at least not from an economic point of view. Just dilute enough developer to handle whatever you're processing and go at it. (I use C-41 one-shot, although some people re-use it once or twice.) The remaining stock solution developer, if fresh, will keep for months; the bleach will keep for even longer; and any diluted but unused fixer will keep for a few weeks.
     
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    I started with a Trebla chemical kit Part # 55FP475. It was under $100 shipped from a mini-lab supply place, Practical capacity is probably 3-500 sheets of 4x5.

    I use an adjustable hot plate I got at Wal-Mart and a big old stew pot for temperature control.

    Beyond that same stuff as what you need for B&W.