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  1. magic823

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    There are few (4) of us in the Seattle area that are going to start building some 8x10 cameras this summer. We are looking to get together for our first meeting to finalize plan (and to make sure we can stand each other) the first week of July. If there are any others that are interested, now is the time to get in "on the ground floor" so to speak.

    While two of are are looking at using bamboo plywood, I haven't heard from the others. I have the woodshop (or garage that I can't fit cars into anymore because of the tools and wood), we'd love to have some machining expertise for the metal parts.

    Drop me a line here or at magic@stwd.com if interested.
     
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    As one of the 4, I can endorse what magic823 is saying. Really, we would love to have a nice big group. I'm in the Tacoma area and will be driving up to Seattle for our get-togethers. I've got a woodshop too so if any other Tacomans want to jump in then we can do some of our work at my shop... if you don't have one
     
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    Roadtrip!

    :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile:
     
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    And welcome to have you Brad!
     
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    My brother-in-law and I once drove up to Bellingham and back in a weekend to...get this, to buy a car! That was when we were both younger and dumber and each had a much lower tolerance for cafienated beverage.

    Anyway, my wife has relatives up there so, I could use that as an excuse... "Honey, it's been a while since we've seen your Uncle Doug and Aunt Marrion..."
    Hmmm....who knows?

    In anycase, please keep us posted on your progress and ideas. Always good to see what others are building.
     
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    re: tacoma workshop

    where in tacoma is the workshop and when?? i live in tacoma>midland area. i recently just started using a 4x5 format camera and am would like to partici-
    pate as long as it won't interfere with my job. i plan on having the rest of my vacation used around oct. of 2005. could you send me any info based on this workshop or any others you might know of that take place around that time? i also go to mt rainier around this time, if anyone is interested in a road trip, give me a shout would gladly appreciate guests! well gotta go..take care!!
     
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    re: tacoma workshop

    where in tacoma is the workshop and when?? i live in tacoma>midland area. i recently just started using a 4x5 format camera and am would like to partici
    pate as long as it won't interfere with my job. i plan on having the rest of my vacation used around oct. of 2005. could you send me any info based on this workshop or any others you might know of that take place around that time? i also go to mt rainier around this time, if anyone is interested in a road trip, give me a shout would gladly appreciate guests! well gotta go..take care!!
     
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    We are getting together Tuesday night in Kent to begin the process. I just acquired the plans and was pricing wood today.

    If you are interested drop me a line and I'll give you my address.

    magic@stwd.com
     
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    Do you have any kind of schedule or manifesto someplace?
     
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    No, we are meeting tomorrow night at 8pm to setup how we want to do things, take a look at the plans I have, and talk about everything.
     
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    Steve, Doug and I met on the 12th rather than the 5th as a couple of us had unexpected 'situations' to deal with on the 5th.

    The three of us had a really good discussion for about two hours. We looked at two sets of plans. One for a field camera and the other for a monorail. We have decided to build field cameras.

    Doug and I had a chance to look at someo of Steve's carbon prints from the workshop he attended at Photographers Formulary. Whoo hoo! When we get our new cameras built, I am so excited to start working in carbon too.

    Really, there is plenty of room for more people to join us. Certainly anyone from the Seattle/Tacoma area must come. Some of you have threatened a road trip to join us. Please do! Let us know if you really wish to do so and we'll arrange to all get together and bring you up to speed on what you missed. For example, APUG member Eric will be a part of this even though he is in southern california. Eric's father in law lives in the area and even though Eric has not specifically committed to visiting us here, I'm sure we'll see him this summer.... Right Eric? :tongue:
     
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    Ummmm, need bike money.
    I've been looking at some work emails and maybe I'll have an excuse to go to one of those Wamu seminars in Seatle
     
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    You have bikes already! You have a Lemond and a sweet Gios (lucky!) What you need is the 8x10 because you don't have one of those already. Yep, those wamu seminars are well worth the trip (from what I hear)
     
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    Hmmmm, this looks amazingly like the bunch of folks I have been talking to about making a bunch of 8x10's lately. Let's meet and see iff we all want the same thing.
     
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    Meeting time again. Due to work schedules of folks, we need to do the weekend. Lets try this Saturday evening 7PM. Since my house is somewhat in the middle (since we have Lakewood to Edmonds) we'll meet here in Kent. As we divy up the work, it will probable move around to where ever something is getting done. I'll email Barry with the dirrections.

    If we have others that want to get involved, now is the time since we will begin construction shortly. If you aren't in the Seattle area but still want to get involved you're welcome to. We'll figure out the hows and whats.

    Steve
     
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    Dang, I lived at the end of Meeker Street until April of this year. I did not know then that I was knee deep amongst a bunch of Steely Eyed Camera Builders. I am up for 7PM on Saturday.

    Barry
     
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    Seattle Camera Makers 2nd Meeting Report

    Tonight we met for the second (my first) time. We had a very meaningful meeting. We decided to go ahead with the Vail Camera design with some modifications. We passed around a list to inventory skills. Looks like we have a terrific and capable group here. The Doug Bardell plans were also discussed. There are a couple of features from the Bardell plans we will incorporate into the Vail designs and a few of our own as well. There were some decisions made.

    1: Everyone can buy their own wood in whatever flavor they like best. If you are participating in this camera building adventure, rustle your leaves on down to the lumber yard and get two planks 1 1/4 thick 6 5/8 wide by 96 inches long. These are minimum dimensions. Deborah is making her camera in Purpleheart. Steve was threatining Zebrawood. No definite word on the wood Sharon, John or Andrew will want. Eric was at the meeting via a cell phone hookup so perhaps he will try wood from recycled telephone poles (poor attempt at humor, my apologies). I will choose Phillipine Mahogany. Please keep in mind, these first few cameras will have polished brass fittings, so choose a wood you think will go well with brass. My task is to source the brass for the fittings. Deborah and Sharon are collaborating on bellows. Since it involved the magic word fabric, their eyes lit up when we discussed bellows. Steve and I both have the equipment to process the dimensioned (thickness and width) lumber. Once the lumber is dimensioned, then it is cut to length by the person making the camera and made into the individual parts. We have three table saws if you need help with the finger joints. We could also run all the parts making in a group, but that would be a large job requiring a day or two without dedicated fixtures to make the job go quickly.

    2: We decided to use toothed belts rather than the traditional rack and pinion focusing. I think I will get one and test it thoroughly before we go that route for certain though.

    3: Andrew, John and Steve all want to come to my shop and make their own knobs and hardware. I will source the brass but I need to know how much to get. It affects the price. So,,,if you are serious about getting in on this run of cameras, you need to contact me via email by the end of the week Saturday Aug 13. If I do not hear from you by then, I will not order brass for your camera.

    4: So far we have 6 firm orders. Sharon, Deborah, Andrew, John, Steve and myself. Hopefully we can grow that number by Saturday the 13th.

    After the meeting Steve showed us some wonderful examples of alternative processes. Wow.

    That is my report, sorry if I left anything out, I did not take notes.

    Barry Young
     
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    To add on. We actually have additional cameras for Steven (my son), Doug (who couldn't be there because of his anniversary) and John's friend Eric. So we are looking at a min. of nine.

    Anyone have some inexpensive 8x10 lenses? :wink:

    Steve
     
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    Wow nine, sorry, I did not mean to forget those guys, I knew they were in, I was tired when I wrote the report.

    I have some inexpensive lenses that cover 8x10, and they have enormous depth of field. But, I may be the only one interested in pinholes.

    It would be good if everyone knew what size drilling they need for their lensboards.

    Hmmm, just thinking that people will be sad when they realize they should have jumped in.

    Barry
     
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    Update on the 8x10 camera project

    Hello my Camera Making Friends:

    I have spent most of the last couple of weeks doing the engineering on the Seattle Camera Makers Camera. Oh my God! Now I know why more people do not build these babies from scratch. Here are some numbers for all you accountant types out there.

    The camera is made up of 10 sub-assemblies not the five mentioned in the plans. There are a total of 368 parts and this is fewer than the design in the plans would need if we constructed it as shown even though there are less than 200 parts indicated. Mr Vail left a helluva lot out of the plans. I changed some things from laminated panels constructed of glued up 1/4 inch sticks to solid pieces for the sake strength, ease of construction and appearance. Of those 368 parts, 172 have to be sourced from some hardware store somewhere. The other 196 we have to make. It is funny that we call these field camera "wooden" there are only 38 pieces of wood on the whole thing (and that includes 4 pieces to make each frame or box). 70 of the pieces are custom machined metal mostly brass. 1 piece of leather, 2 pieces of fabric, 1 piece of glass and a whopping 84 pieces of paper (bellows stiffeners). Now that all of the engineering is complete, there is really no need for a prototype (sorry if I seem wishy washy, but looking hard at the whole thing for more than a week has made me confident that we will do no harm by charging ahead, there are no real surprises in the design now, there were.)

    Now that I absolutely pretty much mostly
    know everything we will need, I could use some help finding it. Also we should appoint someone (not me) to give our money and shopping list to. John was able to find some excellent sources for screws. Thank you John.

    Do any of the Seattle Camera Makers do CAD? I do, but I am already going to have my hands full with getting everybody keyed in on how to make their own knobs, brackets, focusing shafts, tilt arms and pivot studs. I have made freehand sketches of each part we need to make with dimensions and some general construction notes for each of them, so really we just need to turn this mound of paper into CAD drawings for everyone. I have also prepared parts lists, but these need to be boiled down to something more legible. There must be 30 or so entries that say #1 Brass Flat Head Wood Screw 1/2 inch long. The lists (one for each assembly) need to be put into a spreadsheet and have all the duplicate parts added up and collated while keeping track of which parts are which part numbers. So, do we have any spreadsheet wizards? This will be a pretty big task that is harder than it sounds.

    John and Andrew Austin have their wood, and I have mine, Deborah still needs to find time to get to Compton Lumber or Crosscut hardwoods to get her Purpleheart. Purpleheart with White bellows,,,,Damn! I NEVER would have thought of that. Anybody else got their wood? I have a bunch of Cherry, Maple and Walnut for sale cheap if anybody needs some.

    Shall we finalize plans for where and when we will be doing some wooddorking? There is some pretty complex woodworking in the Back Assembly and I do not mean the finger joints. Does anybody own a large and heavy router table? The ridiculous things they sell at Sears do not count. An Overarm Pin Router maybe? I still don't have my table saw or thickness planer or radial arm saw moved from storage yet because there isn't room, but I did get the bandsaw and jointer moved. The bandsaw finally got the 4 inch riser that will allow it to resaw boards 12 inches wide if anybody got a good deal on some really wide stuff. My jointer sucks so bad. It rattles and clanks and sounds like the dickens. Need to work on that before we try to do any woodworking on it.

    How are the bellows coming? Do we need to do anything to help the ladies with that? Would a wire frame soldered up as a pattern help? Who wants to make that?

    Does anyone have any questions or free time?

    email me at :

    barryjyoung@yahoo.com

    Thanks and see ya

    Barry Young
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    Barry, my table saw. planer and 6" jointer is ready to use. I want to replace my router table (its home built) with something better since I don't like the fence.

    Sharon & I haven't had the chance to get to crosscut and pick up our wood. We were out of town last weekend and the workweek is tough to get there. Maybe this weekend.

    I worked as a draftman while in college, but that was before CAD (I'm dating myself).

    Sharon had the idea of using mylar stiffeners instead of the paper ones. Any thoughts.

    I'm teaching in Poulsbo next week and then Sharon & I are headed over to Photographers' Formulary for a week of playing in the darkrooms (plus I have to fix their network and teach them how to use their new website before it goes on-line). We won't be back till after Labor Day. That is if we can get the carb working right on the motorhome.

    Let get the team back together after the holiday.

    Steve

    P.S. I'm copying all this to the new listserver.
     
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    Just let me know.

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    Have you seen this excellent link?

    You must see this link. It is wonderful, especially the 8x20 section. Wow

    http://www.jbhphoto.com/vcam/vcams.htm

    You will love it.

    Today was eventful. I got the thickness planer and table saw moved. So, now I just have to build the lumber racks before you come over to work on the metal lathe and milling machine. I was not prepared for just how much lumber I actually have. Wow.

    Good luck.

    Barry Young
     
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    That's a fantastic website! I'm just starting to complete my CAD drawings.

    Art.
     
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    An aside to this, hope you guys document each step of construction and post it here or somewhere on a website. Not the details (don't want to give away any trade secrets :tongue: ) This sounds like lots of fun....Good Luck to you all.