CErasure ethical? Or creative?

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  1. Ross Chambers

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    I say creative.

    It has been said, I don't know by whom, that painting is an additive art (you put in what you want) and that photography is a subtractive art (you decide what to take/leave out).

    Photographers have been using that principle a long, long time.

    The very act of framing a shot leaves things out.
     
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    I think it's bullshit.
     
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    I might be okay with that $h!theads concept if he had used his own images. As it stands, I believe he has zero talent and just likes to f__k with other peoples work for a quick buck.
     
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    You could argue that there is nothing on the canvas when the artists begins and nothing on the photographic paper as well. They both place their art on the blank sheet, thereby both are additive. The subtractive part is when the photographer's lens crops out what he wants to take back to his darkroom, the same way the artist crops in his head, what to place in his empty canvas. Most painters paint scenics or portraits and when they stare at the scene before laying down paint, they are subtracting as much as a photographer.

    I would say the only person who truly subtracts is a sculptor who removes material to find the art underneath.
     
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    He doesn't seem to have the talent and discipline to make his own images, so he manipulates another's and calls the result "original". The dump I took the morning is "original" in the same sense.
     
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    Yawn ...
     
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    It was fun to do in 6th grade.
     
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    I don't disagree. In fact I like that idea too.
     
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    Actually starting with something known provides a social context.

    I'd contend that we all steal ideas, it is part of how creativity works. We build on what others have done.
     
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    I'd probably agree.

    The concept is interesting and only works with known or iconic images.

    But he has to have permission. He can't steal the images.

    That's the only caveat for me.
     
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    musicians have been doing this for decades
     
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    For sure, check out Ferguson's video 1....

    http://vimeo.com/14912890
     
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    The fashion industry too.
     
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    architects do this all the time as well ...

    hh richardson in the 1800s invented the richardson romanesque style
    using assyrian arches &c. he borrowed towers and "motifs" from churches
    ineurope and "scaled" them down to work with the buildings he was building.
    most notably he did this with the trinity church in copley square, boston,
    and to this day that building is noted as being one of the greatest american churches ever built..
     
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    Creative but just a bit late. http://jowharaalsaud.com/section/168752_2008.html She has been doing this for awhile

    But these are her own photographs

    Appropriation art is just poor excuse for no talent. Again all concept and little actual craft.
     
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    SNIP
    not sure about that ...

    mozart appropriated just as kanye west does,
    just like braque, picasso and banksy does today.

    photographers photograph someone else's architecture, or do a detail of an architectural element, they appropriate that as well.

    industrial designers do it all the time as well ...
    not sure if it has anything to do with lack of talent ...
    unless the newly created art, is bad
     
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    I have no problem with this, as the original still exists.
     
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    thanks andy
    i've seen that before but forgot about it :wink:
    i love the fact he actually has THE MONKEYS in the video ... brilliant !!

    thanks
    john
     
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    For a supposed sociologist, this guy is in a very bad way indeed.
     
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    First of all, the article doesn't mention whether Henner had Frank's permission to use The Americans. I do think it's uncreative to plagiarise, as happened in the ongoing saga of the painter (I won't call Richard Prince an artist!) who copied and modified a photographer's images and overpainted them. http://www.apug.org/forums/forum50/89149-court-rules-richard-prince-ripped-off-patrick-cariou.html

    At least Henner's "work" is more intelligently thought out and realised that Prince's - which imo amounts to childish doodles. I also think the "work" in both these cases amount to steaming piles of postmodermist extruded male bovine excrement.

    Just my 2d - YMMV.

    Cheers,
    kevs
     
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    Looks like a 2nd year art school project.