Cheapest Ilford Film in Europe?

Discussion in 'Product Availability' started by arigram, Dec 29, 2006.

  1. arigram

    arigram Member

    Messages:
    5,474
    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2004
    Location:
    Crete, Greec
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    (product availabillity sounds like the correct subforum for this question)

    I am planning to make a large order of 200 to 300 pieces of Ilford PanF+ in 120 format and I'm investigating prices around Europe. Last year I bought 100 rolls from Nordfoto in Germany which gave me the lowest price of less than two euros per roll, but now they seem to have risen, atleast for half a euro. Still, they seem lower than others.
    Any suggestions? For such an order, every cent counts.
     
  2. John Bragg

    John Bragg Member

    Messages:
    630
    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2005
    Location:
    Penwithick,
    Shooter:
    35mm RF
  3. Magnus W

    Magnus W Member

    Messages:
    206
    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2005
    Location:
    Uppsala, Swe
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
  4. Steve Smith

    Steve Smith Subscriber

    Messages:
    9,079
    Joined:
    May 3, 2006
    Location:
    Ryde, Isle o
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    That's a coincidence. I just ordered some Pan F from 7dayshop this morning. It costs £1.35 per roll which is just about two euros.

    I'm not sure if there is a similar benefit anywhere else in the world but if you buy from 7dayshop in Britain, you do not pay VAT (value added tax).

    Steve.
     
  5. Magnus W

    Magnus W Member

    Messages:
    206
    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2005
    Location:
    Uppsala, Swe
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    It's unfortunately a benefit available only for the Brits. Since 7days are shipping out of the Channel Islands, the merchandise is tax exepmpt for citicens of Britain. But since the Channel Islands for tax purpouses lies outside the EU, VAT (and customs fee) is added to the price when ordering to f'rex Greece or Sweden.
    Now, the customs officers doesn't always have a very keen knowledge of the intricacies of British geography, and to my experience there is a 33% chance that VAT and customs will be added when ordering to Sweden from Jersey. Greek customs may be more strict -- or more leninent.
    BUT it is more or less a moot point since 7days (and some other Jersey based companies) only deliver to Britain nowadays.

    bemoaning this -- MW
     
  6. John Bragg

    John Bragg Member

    Messages:
    630
    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2005
    Location:
    Penwithick,
    Shooter:
    35mm RF
    Hi Steve,

    Used them for my film for many years. So good not paying tax. Feels like a small victory every time I place an order !!!

    Regards, John.
     
  7. Ole

    Ole Moderator Staff Member Moderator

    Messages:
    9,281
    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2002
    Location:
    Bergen, Norw
    Shooter:
    Large Format
    Hmpf.

    7dayshop is (so far) the cheaper, but no use to the world outside Britain (and Ireland). Nordfoto is the cheaper of the "useful ones" at €2.19 per roll excluding MwST/VAT. The €200 minimum order for buyers outside EU has never been a problem - at least not to me.
     
  8. BarryWilkinson

    BarryWilkinson Subscriber

    Messages:
    695
    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2003
    Location:
    Somerset UK
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Remember that Germany's VAT rate goes up from 16% to 19% from 1st Jan.

    Barry
     
  9. BarryWilkinson

    BarryWilkinson Subscriber

    Messages:
    695
    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2003
    Location:
    Somerset UK
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    These people offer discounts for quantity. Their 20 pack price is Euro 2.40 each. Might be worth an email for the quantities you are purchasing?

    Their postal charges are expensive, but this may also be negotiable?

    Barry
     
  10. rst

    rst Member

    Messages:
    1,109
    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2004
    Location:
    Germany
    Shooter:
    Pinhole
    Another good option here in Germany is PhoBaTec. Sometimes they are cheaper than Nordfoto, sometimes Nordfoto is cheaper. But I think they do not stock Ilford PanF. Maybe you can ask them by email, as far as I know they are very responsive.

    ciao
    -- Ruediger
     
  11. arigram

    arigram Member

    Messages:
    5,474
    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2004
    Location:
    Crete, Greec
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    I have emailed both Nordfoto and PhoBaTec and I will let you know of their responses. I don't think there is any way to escape the german tax rise any more though, I wish I knew that before.
    Thank you for the suggestions of british stores, the UK has definately some very fine merchants but I consider the island to be off shore the North American coast and not the European (and I am not talking about politics).
     
  12. George Papantoniou

    George Papantoniou Member

    Messages:
    992
    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2005
    Location:
    Athens
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    If you are a professional photographer in the EU (and so have a VIES registered VAT number), you can avoid paying VAT for merchandise bought from other EU countries. You just send them your (VIES registered) VAT number and tell them that they should produce an invoice that'll be VAT-free. I know Ari can do that (but he has to register his VAT number to VIES first).

    On the other hand, I have been ordering tons of CD's and DVD's from play.com (they are based in Jersey, I think) and never did the Greek customs ask me for the VAT (Shhhhhh!!!)...
     
  13. Fotohuis

    Fotohuis Member

    Messages:
    1,336
    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2004
    Location:
    Netherlands
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    Indeed, that's why we have great news on *NEWS* :wink:

    Best regards,

    Robert
     
  14. Sponsored Ad
  15. haris

    haris Guest

    Last edited by a moderator: Jan 1, 2007
  16. Fotohuis

    Fotohuis Member

    Messages:
    1,336
    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2004
    Location:
    Netherlands
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    Fomei is the official Ilford distributor in the Czech Republic. Greeting to Mr. Michal Velc.

    Further a happy New Year to every one! :smile:
     
  17. haris

    haris Guest

    Robert, I am sorry for telling bad news to you but Mr. Velc is not longer with us. This is copy of E_mail I received from Fomei:

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Miloš Žalman [mailto:Milos.Zalman@fomei.com]
    Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 5:30 AM
    To: 'Haris'

    Dear Mr Haris,
    Unfortunatelly, Michal Velc hade tragic accident. We hade to make some
    changes in our company.
    Please read this message:


    ========================================================
    Dear business partners,



    After a severe loss our company suffered from the tragic end of our
    foreign trade manager - Mr. Michal Velc, we consolidated our activities so
    that we could continue the work Mr. Velc succesfully began with.

    I can assure you that we all will do our best to fill Mr. Velc´s
    position as soon as possible so that our co-operation can continue and
    develop as we all wish.



    I would like to inform you about several changes which were caused not
    only by this situation.



    Surrogate for Mr. Velc:

    We are looking for someone for the position of foreign trade manager.
    We will inform you as soon as this post is filled.

    Until then Mr. Milos Zalman – manager of foto division – is dealing
    with all concerns of foreign business.

    All your requirements please direct to:

    E-mail: milos.zalman@fomei.com,

    Office: +420 495 056 501

    Fax: +420 495 056 511

    In urgent cases you can call +420 603 587 451.
     
  18. Fotohuis

    Fotohuis Member

    Messages:
    1,336
    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2004
    Location:
    Netherlands
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    Jesus, indeed bad news. I am very sorry. I spoke to him a few weeks before the Photokina on the phone.
    Well you can see now what the risk is to be export manager. I did the same job for a long time and got also a severe car accident. Still not 100% recovery but this I concern as a real tragedy. Well, I was not informed by Fomei so far.
     
  19. Ian Grant

    Ian Grant Subscriber

    Messages:
    18,032
    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2004
    Location:
    West Midland
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Has England moved since I relocated to the Aegean?

    Ian

     
  20. arigram

    arigram Member

    Messages:
    5,474
    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2004
    Location:
    Crete, Greec
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    The act like it though. The outrageous shipping charges and having to deal with currency exchange don't feel very E.U. too me...
     
  21. Ian Grant

    Ian Grant Subscriber

    Messages:
    18,032
    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2004
    Location:
    West Midland
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Yes I quite agree with you about some UK postage & packing charges, I've found it cheaper to buy from Fotoimpex in Berlin compared to a similar supplier in the UK for that reason.

    I should add I've had no problems with the UK suppliers who support & are listed on this site.

    Ian


     
  22. arigram

    arigram Member

    Messages:
    5,474
    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2004
    Location:
    Crete, Greec
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    I ended up making an order with Phobatec for 400 rolls of film.
    They are giving me PanF+ in 120 for 2.20 euros a roll which is quite good and they took my greek tax registration details with no further paperwork so I escape the german tax.
    The shipping is 25 euros and the bank wants 15 euros for the money transfer which is also pretty good.
    It all sounds great and I will soon have PanF+ to last me for some time!
     
  23. Fotohuis

    Fotohuis Member

    Messages:
    1,336
    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2004
    Location:
    Netherlands
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    The bank transfer should be (almost) free of further charges when using the right IBAN - BIC/Swift codes. We are paying Eur. 0,06 for each int. bank transfer in the Euro zone.
     
  24. George Papantoniou

    George Papantoniou Member

    Messages:
    992
    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2005
    Location:
    Athens
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    Greek banks are incredible crooks. They'll charge money for things you can't imagine.

    Ask around, Ari. Some banks ask for more, some for less money for a EU transfer. Try Emporiki and Ethniki, or even Kyprou. Stay away from Alpha and Eurobank...

    I told you you could escape paying the VAT...
     
  25. Fotohuis

    Fotohuis Member

    Messages:
    1,336
    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2004
    Location:
    Netherlands
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    ALL banks are crooks :cool:
     
  26. arigram

    arigram Member

    Messages:
    5,474
    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2004
    Location:
    Crete, Greec
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    I am writting to let you know that everything went well.
    I used the online banking system of Alpha and the charge is as low as you mention, nothing like the 15e they wanted at the desk.

    Nordofoto send me an offer as well, unfortunately too late, as I had placed the order with PhoBaTec:
    200x ILFORD Pan F 120 2,19 Euro without 19% TAX (2,61 inclusive)
    300x ILFORD Pan F 120 2,09 Euro without 19% TAX (2,49 inclusive)
    The shipping costs for this article would be 31,50 Euro without 19% TAX (37,49 inclusive).

    So, in all, you can get very cheap film in Europe if you buy in quantities.