Cirkut paper?

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    Where would one get printing paper for Cirkut camera negatives? I can't imagine any real source short of buying paper in rolls and cutting it down. Thanks,
    Chris
     
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    What size are the negitives?
     
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    The maximum negative size I'm aware of is/was 16 inch by 20 foot. Where would anyone get that size of paper?
     
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    I would check with JandC...since they carry cirkut film they may be able to get cirkut paper on special order.

    In lieu of that I would check with Freestyle or Photowarehouse. These old cameras are still being used and I imagine that someone is providing paper.

    I think that there may be a site of cirkut users...as I recall anyway... The may be able to direct you.
     
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    All of our Classic and Adox papers are available in long rolls on special order.
     
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    Chris

    I shoot Cirkut cameras and use roll paper for printing. Roll paper is available in any size you want from all the major suppliers, it's the same paper used in minilabs and pro labs. It's likely roll paper will be around a lot longer than sheet paper because the sheets come from rolls. Also roll paper is sold in much higher volume than sheet paper.

    If you're after contact rolls rather than enlargement paper you might be out of luck as I'm not aware of any suppliers.

    I use a paper dispenser to cut the rolls to length but you don't need one for low volume printing, a pair of scissors will do.

    Clayton
     
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    Clay- I was pondering buying some rolls of paper but I need to know some stuff first. I would be cutting it to use in the darkroom. Does the curl seem to be excessive? Will it lay flat after being cut? How do you store it.? Can I freeze it for future use.? Ease of use? Give me the lowdown-upside and down.
    Thanks, Peter
     
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    RC has very little curl and flattens out no problem. Close to the end of the roll it has more curl but still not a problem. Fibre does have more curl and is worse with mural rolls because the rolls are shorter (in length) and all the paper is close to the roll core.

    I store it in it's original paper bags or in the paper dispenser. No need to freeze it. No different to use than sheet paper.


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    sounds good

    Clayton-I appreciate that bit of information. I was perusing the www.silverprint.com site in the U.K. and saw they had rolls of Forte PolyV; 40 inch by 100 feet and 20 inch x 50 Feet. FortepolyW.T. "17" natural; and Kentmere Bromide on Grade 2 rolls. I guess living in Oz it would be more convenient but I'm looking to have supplies AND save some money. I know you work in those "larger" sizes. Your input is much appreciated!!
    Need to check with the USA suppliers as the Forte has been hard to come by and everyone says on their website that it is backordered till the end of May.
    Thanks again, Peter
     
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    I started using roll paper for colour when I got two rolls for about $40 total. Once I got the cutting down pat and cutting colour paper means total darkness everything has gone fairly well. I store mine in the freezer. It would be less important for B&W paper but it wouldn't hurt. With the Kodak paper I'm using I didn't find curl an issue. Even at the end of the roll the stuff wasn't too bad.

    Upsides? Any length I want. Roll paper can be cheaper then precut. Not always you need to check. It's all from one batch so it acts the same.

    Downsides? I ruin the odd sheet when I cut it. It took be awhile to come up with the "perfect" cutting jig. I hold a cutting session every so often. Cutting between 30 and maybe 100 sheets. So you need to take the cutting time into account. I learned to wear gloves when cutting cold paper. Finger prints only show up on the final print never on the test prints.
     
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    Nick-I like the idea that I'm in control for the period of time that I have the materials. It's my firm opinion that your materials speak for who you are as an artist. This issue with paper manufacturors going in and out of business really has me going. I have enough Fote for about 4 months on hand but when it is back out in late May I'm going to contact the NEW importer about rolls. I'm going to be darn sure that they are not just whipping the stuff out to be in business. It's funny-I bought alot of the PolyV when Forte first was in trouble. Yesterday while printing I could have sworn that it was Bergger VC instead. Now we both know it comes out of the same factory but maybe they were just putting stuff into boxes irregardless of which side of the factory it was being made on. Maybe it's time to try some of the Adox, etc. that J+C is selling.
    Maybe we can have a roll cutting party! Peter
     
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    Nick makes some good points. I use both colour and B&W roll paper and both are easy to use. I've found the colour paper doesn't go off or change filtration for years, how many I don't know but I don't give it any special treatment.

    If you're cutting a lot of paper I'd recommend a paper dispenser, they turn up on ebay now and then, not just in the photo section either, I think graphics proffessionals must use them as well. The paper dispensers can be programmed to cut a full roll to set lengths so all you do is stand there and catch the cut paper coming out. They cut with great accuracy to 1 millimetre and can cut a single sheet to hundreds. For me it's one of the best pieces of darkroom gear I have.

    The Forte paper you mention I used both warm and cold tone in 40" wide rolls fibre based. Because the rolls are short they have a very tight curl in them which is difficult to deal with. I try and avoid them if I can. Forte will supply (at least they used to) fibre rolls in narrower sizes too with a minimum order of 4 x 500 foot rolls.

    Clayton
     
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    Clay-when you say short you are meaning the overall length-no? So it is better to stay away from the short ones.which I will. Silverprint advertised them in 10meter length/approx. 30 feet. If I was going to invest in the rolls I would also get the dispenser. Might as well have the right tool for the job.
    To Nick and Clay I want thank you for your information. It's always good to go into a new situation feeling one has a grip on it; i.e. paper in rolls.
    Have a great day both you - Peter
     
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    Clay are you using a roll easel? Or is the paper dispenser something different? I actually had bought a roll easel but the seller backed out. :mad: I've learned to live without it. For B&W Peter would have the luxury of a safelight making things relatively easy.
     
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    Hi Folks

    I buy agfa classic and Ilford warmtone in 50inch x100 ft rolls. For specific projects we set up a safe light situation in our sawroom and cut the 50 inches down to the width we need ie 26inches x 100ft.
    This works real well, just count your fingers before going in the sawroom and going out.
    My only problem with roll paper is the curl, which is present with any of the papers I have tried.
    Using a roll dispenser then is a piece of cake to cut the desired length, I am looking for a vertical two turret econoroll if any one knows of a used one kicking about.
     
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    I think you'd end up with more waste then it's worth. I cut my paper at least the night before and stack it in the paper safe. If I cut enough it stays like that for awhile. I guess you could put a weight on it? Or something to get the curl out if it bothered you.
     
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    While I do use a roll easel a paper dispenser is different. The dispenser is for converting roll paper to sheets, the easel for printing on roll paper. The dispenser has an automatic cutting knife and millimetre cut increments. They save a lot of time and you get perfectly cut sheets every time.

    Clayton
     
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    it was the the 10 metre rolls I was using, if you use the longer rolls you still have the same problem when the roll gets down to the core end. You can cut the rolls into sheets then stack them together and put some weight on them, they will flatten out over a few days (weeks would be better). Remember though fibre paper always has a curl, even after processing it doesn't sit flat.


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    I did a bit of surfing. Found a few paper cutter/dispensers. I'm afraid to ask what they cost -) Did find out I could buy a whole one colour printing press for $800. Or at least that's what it looked like.
     
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    I've seen them sell for between $200 - 500 on ebay.