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Discussion in 'Silver Gelatin Based Emulsion Making & Coating' started by Photo Engineer, Sep 3, 2006.

  1. Photo Engineer

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    Hey, I know there are people out there making and coating emulsions. Here it is, Sean created this forum and I've been posting and waiting for others to step forward.

    My next planned post is to compare the Baker emulsion to a modern emulsion. It will appear as soon as others start to post here. Lets see your efforts!

    PE
     
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    I've seen the article on www.unblinkingeye.com and found it absolutely facinating. It is on my list of things I want to try. Unfortunately, my list is really long......so no contribution, but much interest!
     
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    Ron, please don't take the lack of response for lack of interest. I've been reading your threads everyday, but I don't have the facilities to make my own emulsion. I enjoy reading them though. Someday ...
     
  4. David A. Goldfarb

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    I'm getting there with albumen but haven't made a silver gelatin emulsion yet. As soon as I do, I'll be posting.
     
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    Ron,

    This forum will gain in importance over the years. You're ahead of your time!!!

    Murray
     
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    Guys;

    I don't take it as lack of interest. See the # of views...?

    I take it that those doing the work are reluctant to post anything! For whatever reason.

    PE
     
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    For whatever reason, I haven't begun the work. When I do, this thread will be of HUGE importance!

    Maybe those that have begun the work are so new to the game they're unsure of themselves? If so, ask you're questions / share your experiences now so I can learn even more later :wink:

    Murray
     
  8. Bruce Osgood

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    Ok, I for one can't imagine why I would want to make my own silver-gelatin paper when there are so many to choose from being made by companies who seem to know what they're doing.
    When Ilford or Forte or any of the manufacturers are doing so much better than I believe I could why bother?
    I am only speaking of what CAN be bought in a store like J&C or B&H or FreeStyle. I'm not talking about Platium or Alt Process papers that are not manufactured.
    Maybe I'm missing the point, could be.
     
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    I have seen Ron's papers in person and many of the tests, it is facinating stuff and even though there are many papers still available, I am telling you, if I can ever find the time, it would be a lot of fun as well as very educational to do some of this work....

    Dave
     
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    I read your posts with intense interest, Ron. I wanted to go to the PF workshops, and the one in NY, but I'm chained to my job and can't follow all my interests. So I do what I can afford, in terms of time and money, and try to keep abreast on what's going on with the rest of my interests until that solid gold meteor hits my back yard or I win the lottery. :smile:

    So, except for the occasional stupid question (like the one re: fish gelatin), I can't contribute in a meaningful manner.

    K.
     
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    PLEASE DON'T STOP!!

    This is the most fascinating reading on the site!!
    It's a mind opener! I've always wondered how film was made.
    Might even try to do it myself.

    Is it a dye that sensitizes a film for infrared? If so, what is it?
     
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    Well in honor of Ron (who has the patience of a saint in lieu of my incessant questions) here's an experiment I made a while ago. Its Rockland Ag+ on glass exposed at about ISO 1.
     

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    I am just watching and waiting, asking the occasional question. Salt prints and (maybe) oil transfers are first things on the list right now. But the coating blades are definitely interesting: when, where and what cost? :wink:
     
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    I too have been reading these with interest and the possibility of trying something at some time. Whilst I agree with Bruce that it appears pointless to do when you can buy perfectly good paper in the shops, there is always the sense of pride (and perhaps surprise) in having made something yourself which actually works.
    This is the same reason that I tried Caffenol developer last week despite having bottles of Ilfosol and LC29 in the cupboard and the same reason I have built my own guitars and various other items despite the availability of similar items made by more qualified/competent craftsmen.



    Steve.
     
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    Maybe it's the same reason why I can't imagine developing and printing my own film anymore. There are many labs and printers to choose from that know what they are doing better than me. Folks like Bob Carnie at Elevator can develop and print so much better than I beleive I could, why bother?

    None the less, I read every one of PE's threads and will be reading this forum too. I find it fascinating.

    Regards, Art.
     
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    g'day Photo,
    i'm not sure i understand your anguish

    you 'seem' to have an obsession with doing this work, but do you now resent no one else is doing similar?

    by 'making and coating emulsions', do you mean other than liquid light, pt/pd, cyanotype etc?

    may be it's just too hard?

    or is the difficulty the attraction?
     
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    Yes, a dye sensitizes the film. A particular dye is selected for each major region of the spectrum from blue to green to red to infrared.

    These are probably the most costly and hard to get of all of the ingredients used to make emulsions.

    PE
     
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    I plan on getting emersed up past my eyeballs into this in the near future. I just don't have the time, nor the experience or the training yet. Never fear big mouth will contribute once I get going.
     
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    No anguish at all Ray.

    I just don't want to be alone posting here.

    I know that there are people out there making emulsions. I am encouraging them to post.

    I appreciate all of your comments, but the limelight should be shared by all emulsion makers and coaters, whatever method they use.

    PE
     
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    Bruce;

    Many of the students in my first class were Azo enthusiasts. One of my emulsions seems to be a pretty fair duplicate. Well, according to one individual there it is better than Azo. He has made a post to that effect on APUG.

    So, there is one reason / product to do this.

    Since I am aiming at the 30s - 50s look, I will even try to remake some of the old popular films that some are so fond of, but are no longer made.

    Is that reason enough for you?

    PE
     
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    Thanks for your comment Dave. I enjoyed our short time together at the Formulary.

    PE
     
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    Dear Photo Engineer,

    I read all your posts in this area with great interest and enjoyment and looking at the number of views for each installment, others feel the same way.

    Thank you for your continued efforts.

    Neal Wydra
     
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    Neal;

    Thank you for your comment.

    PE
     
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    It's a wonderful forum -- I've been out straight with other things and haven't had a ton of time for reading or contributing to it, but consider it about the best resource going. I've just started making my own paper emulsion -- very simple recipes -- and will certainly have questions as I keep working with it. So, my gratitude to you for your generosity, Ron. It is the sign of a true artist.
     
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    Jeanne;

    Many thanks. While I was not out to elicit praise, I appreciate the comment. I am out to elicit posts of the work of others.

    Liquid light painted on a wall with a paintbrush qualifies. I know you are out there doing good work. I've seen it in the book "Silver Gelatin". Lets hear you describe it here. Lets see some of it.

    PE