Creative uses for expired C41??

Discussion in 'Color: Film, Paper, and Chemistry' started by rwboyer, Apr 3, 2010.

  1. rwboyer

    rwboyer Member

    Messages:
    522
    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2009
    Location:
    MD USA
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    Anyone have any creative (non critical) ideas for what to do with expired C41 negative film. I mean really really expired - not just past the date. Oh and by creative I mean at least worth the processing cost.

    I found a bunch of 35mm and 120 Kodak Portra 160VC and 400NC that has expiration dates of 2002 2004 and 2006. The hazards of traveling and moving way way too much stuff gets lost for years. On a brighter note I found a pristine old F3 Nikon in the same box that I hadn't seen in years.

    RB
     
  2. werra

    werra Subscriber

    Messages:
    334
    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2007
    Location:
    Tallinn, Est
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    160 should be ok to just shoot it. I use 100-200 film of that age routinely for snaps with glove-compartment XA. 400 could be dead though.
     
  3. wildbill

    wildbill Member

    Messages:
    2,851
    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2004
    Location:
    Grand Rapids
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    that's not really expired. If it was frozen you should be good. I've been shooting slide film from the early 90's lately.
     
  4. rwboyer

    rwboyer Member

    Messages:
    522
    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2009
    Location:
    MD USA
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    Storage was in the bottom of a box - varying conditions hot to cold.

    RB
     
  5. PhotoJim

    PhotoJim Member

    Messages:
    2,223
    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2005
    Location:
    Regina, SK,
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Try one roll and see. You might be surprised.

    You might want to halve the ISO to be sure that you have enough density in the shadows, in case it's fogged. C41 can take a stop of overexposure without any difficulty.
     
  6. marylandphoto

    marylandphoto Member

    Messages:
    135
    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2008
    Location:
    Columbia, MD
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    I have 20 rolls of Kodacolor VR 200 with only 8 exposures per roll that expired in 2000. Needless to say, I'm at a loss at what to use them for. :smile:
     
  7. tiberiustibz

    tiberiustibz Member

    Messages:
    1,749
    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2007
    Location:
    Tufts Univer
    Shooter:
    35mm
    The 400 will have moderate background fog and speed loss. Use it to test cameras and shoot it at 160. The 160 will have less than half as much background fog and speed loss but will likely be fine for the typical hybrid scanning that minilabs give. Shoot it at 100 or 80 for fun.

    You can try C41 reversal or some sort of lomography.
     
  8. Rick A

    Rick A Subscriber

    Messages:
    7,419
    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2009
    Location:
    northern Pa.
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    I just shot a few rolls of Kodacolor that was sitting on a store shelf and was expired in 1998. Nice color shift to almost monochrome green. I'm sure if I printed color I couldmake some reasonable adjusted prints from it.
     
  9. Athiril

    Athiril Subscriber

    Messages:
    2,947
    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2009
    Location:
    Melbourne, V
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    'I mean really really expired - not just past the date.'

    You mean just past the date, I would consider 2002 - 2006 vaguely expired, not expired or 'really expired' or 'really really expired'.

    I've used 400 speed old 10 year stuff @ 800 and 1600 with pretty good results, didn't see any fog, but I used a first developer as opposed to straight in a colour developer.
     
  10. John Shriver

    John Shriver Member

    Messages:
    447
    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2006
    Shooter:
    35mm RF
    Heck, we recently shot a 120 roll of Kodacolor II that expired in 1982, exposed at EI 50 (or maybe it was 25?), and had it processed at the local minilab. I won't call the color accurate, but it wasn't bad. I suppose it isn't really properly stabilized in a modern C-41 process, so it may fade...
     
  11. chrism

    chrism Member

    Messages:
    73
    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2008
    Location:
    Santa Clara,
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    You should look in to redscaling. Might be fun.
     
  12. georgegrosu

    georgegrosu Member

    Messages:
    205
    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2007
    Location:
    Bucharest, R
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    I have same Fuji film (Real 100 / exp. 2001-1, Super 100 / exp. 2001-7, NPH 400 / exp. 2002-2). For the 100 ISO I do not worry. I did a test with NPH 400. Pentacon Six, Sonar 180/2.8. I developed the film in ECN 2 process in a Krocus. Films are stored in the refrigerator. http://www.flickr.com/photos/21121448@N06/4504327559/
    George
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Apr 9, 2010
  13. mpirie

    mpirie Subscriber

    Messages:
    199
    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2005
    Location:
    Highlands of Scotland
    Shooter:
    4x5 Format
    Something tells me you suffer badly from GAS if you rediscovered an F3! :tongue:

    Mike