Delta 3200 pushed

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    Hi

    I am going to shoot a model in extremely poor lighting this saturday. I was in the buildings we will use for shoot and metered the light and found the I have to push Delta 3200 to 6400 or 12500!

    I have Rodinal and HC-110 available for development.

    Any recommendation on dev time and agitation?

    Greetings Morten
     
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    I have calculated these times and would like some feedback.
    they are calculated by developing one stop more and using the multiplication factors on the MDC.

    Rodinal, 1+25
    3200: 20 min.
    6400: 30 min.
    12500: 45 min.

    HC-110, Dil. A:
    3200: 13 min.
    6400: 20 min.
    12500: 30 min.

    Greetings Morten
     
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    I found out that Delta3200 in rodinal is horrible in 1+25!!!
    The grain was unworkable, even though is is holy :wink:.

    G
     
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    Yes, ultra-fast films pushed is not Rodinal's force...I think I will go with HC-110 dil. A. It works better with Delta 3200.
     
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    I would try Acufine, if you can get it in Denmark. You can mix it yourself as well. If you like, I'll try to find the recipe for you.
     
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    Acufine is not available in DK and raw chems aren't easy to get hold of either :sad:
     
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    IMHO DDX is the developer for D3200. Can you get a hold of a bottle?

    From the 2 you have....Hc-110 may give you best results, maybe you can pervert it with vitamin c?
    I'm not an HC110 guy, but look into the covington website for more help.
    http://www.covingtoninnovations.com/hc110/

    Film Speed Dilution Time Time
    (68 F) (75 F)
    (20 C) (24 C)
    Delta 3200 400 B 6 min 4 min
    800 B 7.5 min 5 min
    1600 B 9 min 6 min
    3200 A 8 min 5.5 min
    6400 A 13 min 8.5 min
     
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    I have found that Ilford ID11 works well with the push times given on the package.
     
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    Thanks for the answers!

    My choice is this right now...

    I will see if I can get hold of some DD-X. If I can't do that I will go for some ID11/D76. If noone stocks the stuff I have to go with HC-110.

    Morten
     
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    I've heard of some good results with dilute HC-110 (dilution...g? something like that) with TXT. I'm not sure if it'll translate effectively to Delta 3200, though.

    I think that rodinal can do a better job than expected with long soup time and minimal agitation. I was going to try that this weekend - sorry I have no results yet to help you out.

    My tests with TXT at 1600, 3200 and 6400 between Microphen and Rodinal indicate that I can get roughly the same results with the two, with proper technique.

    allan
     
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    Hey I'd be interested in those times for 400TX + HC-110. Last time I tried 36mins at dilution H (1/2 of dilution B) and I got rather thin negs. PM me if we're hijacking the thread... :wink:
     
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    Not to be a spoil sport but as long as you are taking a flashlight along to be able to set your camera why not point it at the model?
     
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    Good Idea...

    Right now I am even thinking of bringing one of my strobes...then I can shoot ISO 400 instead...
     
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    Hi Morten,

    Whilst I've a feeling we've spoken about this before (I'm a little minus on sleep at the moment and not tracking 100%) it's probably worth mentioning again:

    When using Delta 3200 with DD-X, develop for the recommended time for the next speed up to avoid anorexic negs. E.g. shoot at 3200 ISO, dev for 6400 ISO.

    Whilst I haven't pushed the film myself, I've seen some wonderful shots taken on Delta 3200 at 25,000 ISO in a Japanese baths in B&W (US version) a few years ago. I think B&WP UK also featured the work more recently but couldn't swear to it (Ailsa?!). Unfortunately I can't remember the photographer and I'm not sure the dev was stated. Great work though.

    (Did any of the above make any sense at all?!)

    All the best,

    Frank
     
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    FWIW, I've found that something between 1.35 and 1.4 is the increase factor for a one stop push. You're using 1.5; that's pretty steep.

    For example if your 3200 time is 20 minutes say, (using 1.4x), then a 6400 would be 20x1.4=28, and a 6400 would be 28x1.4=39.2 minutes.

    I would really avoid the Rodinal. The loss in film speed is substantial, and as much as I'm going through a grain-is-good phase (see my last gallery submission), I think Delta 12500 in Rodinal isn't going to look terribly good.
     
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    AVOID??

    I'm in shock!
    Morten: next time, don't ask in here - ask me ;-)

    I've "just" found that delta 3200 at 12500 developed in RODINAL!! 1:25 at about 18-20 min (ca24 degrees c) works like a charm!!
    NEVER seen such beautiful and crisp grains!!

    stick to your religion - don't change..

    att. a sample - allthough grains are hard to scan proberly....
     

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    Morten, Can you get X-tol where you are? According to the MDC, X-Tol stock will do your Delta 3200 at an EI of 6400 in 12.5 min.
     
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    Sorry, that should be an EI of 12,500 in 12.5 min and 6400 in 10 min.
     
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    Thanks. I was using the multiplication factors of MDC, but will consider yours.
    I will be using HC-110 as I couldn't get hold of either DD-X, D76 or XTOL. I could only get Rodinal, HC-110 and some Tetenal stuff (I think it was Ultrafin). I got the two first already and don't like ultrafin that much.

    Morten
     
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    Ok...now I am stuck...I have used Rodinal with Delta 3200 and found it to be weak and powerless a high speeds. Delta 3200 in 1+25 for 11 minutes (@3200 and 20 C) was very weak. But 18-20 mins @ 24 degrees C...I might consider it.
    I will wait for a few days to process this film to see if other opinions are coming along the way.

    Morten
     
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    I have developed the film using HC-110, dil. A (1+15).

    I developed for 33 minutes at 20 C. The negs turned out ok, but slightly thin. But they look great and I can print with great result.

    Greetings and thanks for the input,

    Morten
     
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    That's for 12800 I assume?
     
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    Yes, it is. Next time I will try it for 40...

    Morten
     
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    After having cursed a bit about my slightly underdeveloped D3200 I developed the other film we shot yesterday. A roll of HP5 shot @ 400 and developed in Rodinal for 12½ minutes. I came out perfect with great detail and LOTS of "ZANG" :D

    The attached photo is from an earlier photoshoot with the model I shot yesterday. She is great to shoot and a nice girl to talk with.

    I really love this film in Rodinal (along with Tri-X in Rodinal).

    Morten
     

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    Shadow-detail schmadow-detail... Adams was a hack anyway! :wink:
    Jokes aside, looks very nice. 35mm or larger (can't see avatar while writing)...