Do you miss TXP (Tri-X 320)?

Discussion in 'B&W: Film, Paper, Chemistry' started by Thomas Bertilsson, Mar 14, 2011.

  1. Thomas Bertilsson

    Thomas Bertilsson Subscriber

    Messages:
    15,206
    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2003
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    If so, TMax 100 might be your friend.

    By underexposing TMax 100 two stops at EI 400, and then push processing in Xtol 1:1, you will get results that are confusingly alike the venerable Tri-X 320 (TXP).

    One of the frames below is Tri-X 320 processed in replenished Xtol, and the other according to the recipe above. If I hadn't known which is which, I wouldn't be able to tell them apart. The sky changed between shots.

    Both frames scanned according to the same scanner settings, and processed together using the same changes. No individual changes, except overcoming the higher base fog of TXP by adding just a hair more contrast in the black on that frame.

    Grain, you say? Of course TXP will have more grain. But perhaps the sharpness of TMax will help you overcome your loss.

    - Thomas
     

    Attached Files:

  2. erikg

    erikg Member

    Messages:
    1,460
    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2003
    Location:
    pawtucket rh
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Thomas, what was your time and temp for the pushed TMX?

    Pretty remarkable test.
     
  3. Rick A

    Rick A Subscriber

    Messages:
    7,420
    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2009
    Location:
    northern Pa.
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    I just happen to have a box of TXP 4x5 in the freezer---hmm....
     
  4. Andrew Moxom

    Andrew Moxom Member

    Messages:
    4,886
    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2007
    Location:
    Keeping the
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Or if you need more speed.... TMAX-400 can be made to behave like TXP-320. I expose TMAX-400 @ iso 320 and develop for about 7.5 to 8 minutes using replenished TMAX developer @ 1:4 dilution (68 deg f)
     
  5. Rick A

    Rick A Subscriber

    Messages:
    7,420
    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2009
    Location:
    northern Pa.
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    I always shoot my TMax 400 at half speed and soup in Rodinal 1+50 for that creamy smooth look.
     
  6. Thomas Bertilsson

    Thomas Bertilsson Subscriber

    Messages:
    15,206
    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2003
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    I don't remember exactly, but I think it was 1:1 for 14 minutes, agitating every 2 minutes.
     
  7. Thomas Bertilsson

    Thomas Bertilsson Subscriber

    Messages:
    15,206
    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2003
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    That will not look anything like Tri-X 320, however. I'm glad that works for you, though.
     
  8. Thomas Bertilsson

    Thomas Bertilsson Subscriber

    Messages:
    15,206
    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2003
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    It's always nice with alternatives... :smile: If I were to do the same with TMax 400 (which I have done), I shoot it at 1,600 and process in Xtol 1:1. That gives me the same toe that Tri-X 320 had. I'm not familiar with TMax developer, so I just trust your eye that it works like a charm...
     
  9. cjbecker

    cjbecker Member

    Messages:
    796
    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2010
    Location:
    IN
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    looks like i will be trying hp5 at 800 and 1600.
     
  10. steven_e007

    steven_e007 Member

    Messages:
    829
    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2007
    Location:
    Shropshire,
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    The thing about Tri-x is that Kodak recommend increasing the standard developement time by about 30 to 40% for a two stop push. Check Ilfords recommendations for HP5+ and they recommend doubling the basic time and then some...

    One reason why Tri-X fans accuse HP5+ of being 'low contrast', I reckon, and the reason why I managed to get Tri-X negatives too dense to print....

    Can't help you with long toes and straight portions and stuff, I ain't that clever, but try giving it a nice looooong soak in some hot, undiluted stock developer just to prove you can get all the contrast you want (and a lot you probably don't ;-)
     
  11. cjbecker

    cjbecker Member

    Messages:
    796
    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2010
    Location:
    IN
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    point proven.
     
  12. brian steinberger

    brian steinberger Member

    Messages:
    2,561
    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2007
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    Shooter:
    Med. Format RF
    I frequently push HP5 to EI 640 in overcast conditions, developing in ID-11 1:1 for 16 minutes. Very nice results. I wouldn't push HP5 any more than this. I have not had better luck pushing Tri-x. I wouldn't try pushing HP5 further than this unless you go with Xtol, Tmax, or DD-x developer. Many films can be made to look similar to TXP simply by under-exposing and over-developing.
     
  13. mts

    mts Subscriber

    Messages:
    361
    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2004
    Location:
    Los Alamos,
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Do I miss Tri-X 320? I do miss a couple of old girl friends, but the current wife is fine as is TMax 400.
     
  14. Sponsored Ad
  15. Thomas Bertilsson

    Thomas Bertilsson Subscriber

    Messages:
    15,206
    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2003
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    All I can say is: Try it and see if it works for you. I have only tried replicating the characteristics of TXP with TMax 400 and 100 (and a roll or two of Acros), and I know it works with them. I'm not sure that you'd get the same highlights with HP5+, as I believe it would shoulder off more. But just try it. You have nothing to lose. You may end up shooting it at 800 instead of 1600. Or 500. Only your eyes can tell you what you will like in your prints, and that's by far the most important thing. Have fun!
     
  16. cjbecker

    cjbecker Member

    Messages:
    796
    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2010
    Location:
    IN
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    The shouldering off is what Im scared of. Let the tests begin.
     
  17. Gabino

    Gabino Member

    Messages:
    50
    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2010
    Location:
    Waterloo, On
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    when you look at the grass covered by snow aside of the river/canal, you can see that the one on the left shows more "apparent" or real detail, hard to say from a scanned image. I wonder why this detail is not as pronounced as on the image on the right. I am inclined to think that the one on the left is TXP, but I am not sure and this is not a competition. But I'd like to know, regardless. Thanks for posting this test.
     
  18. Snapshot

    Snapshot Member

    Messages:
    913
    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2007
    Location:
    Toronto, Ont
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    I sort of miss it but I'm finding solace in the T-Max 400 speed films.
     
  19. Guillaume Zuili

    Guillaume Zuili Subscriber

    Messages:
    2,656
    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2005
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    I don't miss it because I still have a ton in the freezer.
    :smile:
     
  20. MaximusM3

    MaximusM3 Member

    Messages:
    756
    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2010
    Location:
    NY
    Shooter:
    35mm RF
    Bitch! :D I don't miss it because I'm just glad there is still film, any film, to shoot :cool:
     
  21. Thomas Bertilsson

    Thomas Bertilsson Subscriber

    Messages:
    15,206
    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2003
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    There are still many wonderful films out there, and I have always argued that we can alter the results more by working with technique than changing materials. You make a good point.
     
  22. MaximusM3

    MaximusM3 Member

    Messages:
    756
    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2010
    Location:
    NY
    Shooter:
    35mm RF

    Yeah, like Acros @ 400 in uncle T's heart warming Kodak chicken soup! :smile:
     
  23. Guillaume Zuili

    Guillaume Zuili Subscriber

    Messages:
    2,656
    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2005
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Yeah or Verichrome in my soup...
    Just teasing guys !
    :smile: :smile: :smile:
     
  24. MaximusM3

    MaximusM3 Member

    Messages:
    756
    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2010
    Location:
    NY
    Shooter:
    35mm RF
    Hey, I have some of that :smile: can you sell me some soup?
     
  25. Thomas Bertilsson

    Thomas Bertilsson Subscriber

    Messages:
    15,206
    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2003
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Soon people will be talking like that about Plus-X... :smile:

    I think I am convinced that with few exceptions, any film in any soup can make for beautiful prints.
     
  26. MaximusM3

    MaximusM3 Member

    Messages:
    756
    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2010
    Location:
    NY
    Shooter:
    35mm RF
    What exceptions? :munch: :smile: