do you remember the old Oriental New Seagull warm tone?

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  1. peters8

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    Do someone remember this paper?...it had a blue box?...I found an old box of this paper (grade 3).
    with kind of developer can I use with this paper?...do it work fine with Moersh easy lith?
    Thanks
     
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    It was a gorgeous paper, I used a lot of it developed in Agfa Neutol WA (a warmtone print developer Agfa usedto make) or, for warmer results, Kodak Selectol-Soft. I've never done lith printing,so cannot comment on that, and as old as it is, it may not be any good anyway, but it was an incredible paper when it was being made.
     
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    It was my favourite paper. I miss it today.
    The papers that you have might be a bit too old so don't expect too much.
     
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    I have some of those blue boxes yet, but Grade 1, not warm at all. Can't recall if warmote was in blue boxes too. They used to include a recommended formula with the technical leaflet.
     
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    yup great paper....

    i used to have a tray of warm tone developer and cold tone developer and sometimes print the same negative twice and put a print through each - try it and see approach... see what the difference was, which i liked better, which had greater "depth"... fond memories. thanks

    jvo
     
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    I have a lot of the blue boxes. It lith very well. No worries.
     
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    thank you very much,friends!
     
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    I found 2 old packs in my darkroom today. Grade 2 and 3. Silver packages. Don't know if its good :sad: also found a box of 8x10 Pal grade 2. Ever since I started using VC paper, I never went back to graded.
     
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    I have a lot of boxes as well, grades 2 & 3. I've never liked the base much for printing normally; it's too creamy for my taste.

    It does lith. In fact, I found it was one of the contrastiest papers I've ever lithed with. If I recall, I was having to hit it with 6-7 stops more light than a paper like Agfa MCC 111 (which I like in lith). In hitting it with this much light, the colour you got was spectacular. Spectacularly bad, in my opinion. Neon orange/green, with that creamy base. That was in LD20 and homebrew formaldehyde free developers.

    With that said, if Guillaume uses it and likes it, it's worth another shot. You'd certainly need the right image!
     
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    I still have a few sheets left from 25 sheet packs from 1994. I'll have to test it out. Mine is FB-N which is semi-matte. Marked New Seagull Portrait Warm Tone. Did they ever make this in a glossy surface? I recall it was very, very slow and very warm with a creamy base. Probably works well for contact prints.
     
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    Color is not the problem. If you don't like it you can always tone or bleach & tone.
    The point for me is to get strong black and creamy highlights from fogged dead bit papers.
    It works !
     
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    I ran the quick test on my old Seagull Warmtone. Had some sheets of grade 2 and 3. Compared unexposed test sheets with one developed and fixed and one fixed only. See no sign of any fogging. Very good for an 18 year old paper. Maybe the slow speed helps. I'll have to find an image that fits and try it out.