Does such a camera exist in MF....?

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  1. bjorke

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    I'd like to find a camera that will let me make two or more exposures on the same negative without removing my eye from the finder. That is, not something that requires me to throw a tiny switch for each and every exposure, something that I can say "expose this frame" and go click, click, click. Mamiya 7? Leaf-shutter 'blad? Kiev?

    Anyone? Thanks!
     
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    Bronica. I once forgot to switch the double-exposure-prevention back on, and shot 20 exposures on the same frame before I realised I should have run out of film a while back... That was an ETRS, I think the others will be the same.
     
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    My Mamiya 645 super does this. It has a simple double exposure switch which remains on until you turn it back off. With the winder you will not need to remove it from your eye, if you are winding it by hand, that might be a different story, but theoretically, you could do it.
     
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    Not the Mamiya 7, but perhaps the Mamiya 7 II?
     
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    The Bronica SQ-A a multiple-exposure lever that keeps its setting exposure after exposure.
     
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    The Mamiya Press (Super 23, Universal), or any camera that doesn't have the shutter coupled to the film wind.
     
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    What you are looking for is a self cocking shutter. I have such a shutter on a LF copy camera. You can keep hitting the button as many times as you like and it will fire each time.

    Off hand I don't know any MF cameras that do that without manually winding/cocking the shutter between shots.... ummmm I'll have to check this out.
     
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    What Helen said--Any press camera like a 23 Graphic or Linhof Tech 23 or any 4x5" camera with a rollfilm back. If it has a self-cocking shutter, all the better.
     
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    My Lubitel will expose as many as you like, over and over until you are blue in the face... especially when then you notice you forgot to wind the film:smile:
    But as far as doing it on purpose - it can obviously be done also. I understand its not a very "serious" camera with many flaws, but it will accomodate your need for very little money.
     
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    The Bronica C (and I happen to be selling one *cough, cough*) does this, too. You just set it to double exposure and you can keep making shots on the same frame--you just have to recock the shutter. The Rolleicord (IIIa, don't knkow about the others) does this, too--just keep cocking and firing the shutter and don't advance the film.

    How about a Holga, it will do it, too :smile:
     
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    Thanks for so many quick replies. Currently I'm using my wee motor-driven Contax rangefinder for this, in 35mm -- handheld. So my goal is to keep the image at my eye, rather than keeping it in my head while I lower the camera to flip switches or wind and so forth. These are all fine suggestions! My goal is to extend the tonal range of my pix, though they're already printing very nicely as 20x30's :smile:


    (And yes, I have completely staved-off my many well-meaning friends who have suggested building shots like this in Photoshop from digital snaps. This is one of those cases where I firmly believe in a direct, unadorned print from the negative — the intent and motion is there at the moment, not later on in an armchair at my desk)
     
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    My Agfa Isolette I will do this, but you have to cock the shutter. Fortunately, you can see the cocking lever in the bottom of the viewfinder, so you don't have to take your eye away.

    I think Marcel Duchamp worked quickly and asked his model to keep moving... but slowly.

    Lee
     
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    My Kiev will do it. There is a switch on the film back that allows it. Pretty cool.
     
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    Mamiya TLR. You flip a switch from "single" to "multi" (at least on C220) and shoot as long as you want.
     
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    or M645

    Same with M645 & 1000s. I think it is missing on the cheaper (J?) version.
     
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    Just reading..but post to say I dig your sample pic!
     
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    The Hasselblad H1 let's you double expose any number of times. But you have to decide in advance how many you want. Apart from that it's a wonderful camera.
     
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    a Holga would do it too...
     
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    In MF Mamiya 645's, in 35mm my Ricoh XR=P has the same function
     
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    If I understand your question, it would take a camera with a motor drive or a self cocking shutter. Any of the medium formats that have mutltipe exposure capability should work so long as they have a motor drive. If you want to screw with manual winding, then the speed grip on the Bronica would allow a more primitive way of doing this. I know that Bronica fits the bill (since they do have a drive available) but others probably do too.

    Cool photo by the way, I really like it a lot.
     
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    add the Pro TL to this list.
     
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    On the Mamiya RB-67, the film wind and shutter cocking are separate actions. Not everyone's a big fan of hand-holding these tanks, but they'll do what you want. Just a thought. (The Pro-S and Pro-SD have double-exposure prevention interlocks that can be over-ridden easily. The original RB-67 will apparently allow you to make as many mistaken double exposures as you'd like.)

    Be well.
    Dave
     
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    Rollei 6000 series except 6006 - I believe.
     
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    Rollei 6001-6003-6008 have multi-exposure, 6002-6006 require a special accessory.

    Possible also with Rollei SL66 and Rolleiflex TLR since the 2,8 GX at least.
     
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    Is it possible to put an outboard finder on a Bronica SQ-Ai or ETRSi (I'd like a GS-1 but fear that they're quickly becoming very rare and probably pricey)? A motorized one of these might be good, though I'd like to leave the mirror locked up and view through an outboard finder (maybe use my Voigtlander 50mm brightframe finder, heh) ?

    Actually the Littman looks fantastic but way out the the price range for this project :smile: