Dumb rodinal question

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  1. mark

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    This developer has reached mythical status. If someone has a roll of film that is unrecognizable throw it in rodinal 1:50ish and your good to go. Tough scene shoot it and develope it in Rodinal.

    Is the mythical status of rodinal similar to the mythical nature of Pyro? meaning is Rodinal really up to snuff or are people just insanely devoted to it?

    In a nut shell If you were to make a truthful Rodinal commercial what would it say?
     
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    WOW! This thread might get interesting really quick! I'll be following it closely.

    My $0.02. I have used both Pyro (rollo pyro & Pyrocat) and Rodinal in the past. they are two different animals entirely. I think each has its uses, but neither are the silver bullet they are claimed to be. My personal opinion. Rodinal is great because it is cheap, it lasts forever, produces sharp negatives, and so far is easy to find in stores. On the other hand I think it is way over hyped.
     
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    Brian, well stated from my point of view. Rodinal is Cheap!! and so am I..also, I like the fact it does last and in a pinch, can use it as a paper developer. Pyrocat, just started testing with it so can't say. For me it is like, stand, semi-stand, develope by inspection, etc..not a silver bullet, but tools to be used.

    I like the results I get from Rodinal better than ID-11. Someone else may get better reults from W2D2, guess it is no different than Canon vs Nikon, LF vs ULF, it's about you and what works for you.

    Just My Thoughts...
     
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    Defintely not looking for a one is better than the other argument. Both have reached a very hyped status. There has been a long discussion of the virtues and wonders of pyro, everything from increased sharpness to doing the dishes. I was just wondering what caused Rodinal's mythical status.
     
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    Rodinal has been around for 100+ years, and has been used by many many many many photographers. It is a very interesting developer, not only because it's cheap and indestrctible but also gives pictures a very "rodinal" feeling.

    I used it long time ago (hwen I was learning to process myself) and I came back to it about two years or so ago, wonderful stuff with APX-100.

    I think is no silver bullet, Xtol is far more advanced and even the old D76 can give you better results but Rodinal is so damn convenient.
     
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    Think I agree, I used soley Rodinal for over 15 years, and it's a great developer with the right films, in my case APX 100, and Tmax 100.

    However I get very similar results using replenished X-tol, which is far more economic
     
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    Have actually wondered if what would happen using Pyrocat-HD, 1:1:1:100 with Rodinal..and if it would bring anything to the mix. Would want to shoot at least 3 negatives, on in Pyrocat-HD 1:1:100 semi-stand, Rodinal 1:100 semi-stand and then the last one 1:1:1:100 Pyrocat-HD + Rodinal - any thoughts...
     
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    Rodinal has been around for what, 100 years or so? I figure that if something has been around that long with minimal changes, the makers must be doing something right. Having said that however, I don't really think Rodinal is up to all the hype it gets from some users. Unless you are looking for that pronounced, very sharp grain effect, it is less than ideal for use with fast films. Typically you will see a decrease in effective film speed, thereby negating the reason you chose a fast film to begin with, and at high dilutions (1+50 or higher) the resulting negatives may very well be flat depending on the film. On the other hand, when used with slower films (ISO 125 and slower) which generally have more contrast, the results can be outstanding. My own experience shows that it works particularly well with, of all things, Kodak's TMax 100 and Ilford's FP4+. I've heard from others who have had spectacular results with APX 100, and the prints I've seen bear this out. Sure, the grain is more pronounced than it would be with something like D-76 or XTOL but these are inherently more fine grained films to begin with so it's not that much of a consideration. In the case of TMax 100, the more pronounced grain can actually be helpful. Even at 20x, the grain is hard to see on the baseboard and focusing can be a real pain. Like anything else, Rodinal has it's place. It is not a magic bullet that will give you perfect results every time. You can, however, count on it do do what it was designed to do every time even when it ages and morphs into something that looks like tar. For most of my film developing needs I use XTOL these days, but there are times when Rodinal is the right tool for the right job just as it has been for these many years.
     
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    I agree with that, there is something like a 'Rodinal thing' in the image. Hard to tell why. It's a mix of grain and sharpness and, well, just, ... a nice image.

    Why did nobody mention that Rodinal is not only cheap, but also rather good, not to say rather rather good, with - indeed - apx100 for example?

    Just starting with X-tol, seems to be rather amazing stuff to me. Used D76 as well, a lot in fact. And others, including PMK-pyro. For me it is very hard to tell what is 'the best developer'. That depends on the image, the light, the image you want to produce (has in mind) etc. My suggestion: try several, stick with one or two and be happy (be they hyped or not).

    Paul.
     
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    I'm a great fan of Rodinal and have used it for 25 years and agree with the general view that it is inexpensive, lasts forever, it's versatile but it is not the silver bullet, no developer is. I use it when I want good edge sharpness and grain and it produces the goods for me.
     
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    From my experiance, just consistantly good results?
     
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    another rodinal fan here.. just bought 5L of the stuff and i know it'll be still useable when i bite the dust...
    I like my 8x10 negatives souped in 1:25
    no grain to talk about and great sharpness.. makes your shitty lenses look good :smile:
    Its cheap...

    but i really want to give HC-110 a try .. been told its very similar to rodinal..
     
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    I think Rodinal has achieved an almost mythical status because it doesn't really do anything wrong. It's safe, versatile, and reliable in its extremely long shelf life.
    I always spend my time trying to achieve results with anything from my audio equipment to my photographic efforts that are 'tolerable'. There might not be any real particular strength, but as long as it does nothing really wrong - it works for me. I think Rodinal works this way.
    Grain and film speed someone might say, but so what? That's just part of the characteristic and isn't necessarily a bad thing.

    Use it for a while and see for yourself. Rodinal seems to be the one developer I always come back to. Been experimenting with D76, FA-1027, Microdol-X, Microphen, ID-11, but I always come back to Rodinal. Somehow.
    My next experiment will be Pyrocat HD, just to see if the contact printing becomes substantially better or not.

    That's about 2cents worth.

    - Thomas
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    I don't believe there is such a thing as a silver bullet and we all know how far myths are from reality. If you mess up your negative when you shoot it then nothing on earth can come to it's rescue.

    Rodinal does have for me a distinctive look or signature when it comes to grain and sharpness. I love the look produced by Rodinal and I do recommend it be tried if you haven't before. At the end of the day you pays your money and takes your choice.
     
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    All I can say is that the best negatives and prints in my life were made with Plus-X and Rodinal. I use it quite a bit because I like the grain that I get and the contrast with medium\slow films. I don't like it with TMAX films as I plotted curves for it once and they were very odd with a big dip in the mid-tones.

    -Mike
     
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    I totally agree! I love the look and grain of Rodinal and really use it much. At 1+50 it is great for my films (mostly Ilford Delta 100, Ilford Pan F, Agfa APX 100 and T-Max 100). Although I tend to use HC-110 for films rated 400 or over.

    Rodinal is not that hyped, I think. It holds it's status because of the great quality of the negs it produces and the ease of use....and the price...

    Here's the commercial:

    "113 years old...give us another 113 years and we can revise the product!"
     
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    Ehrm... You do know that the Rodinal sold today is not the same as the original? AGFA's version has been changed several times - Calbe R09 is the only one following the original recipe.
     
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    While visiting the supermarket last night I thought that Rodinal is like the old Corn Flakes, good for you, cheap, and tasty. There are many other things out there like the multi-grain-berry-banana-rama cereal, may be better than cornflakes....
    but from time to time is good to go back to the original :LOL:
     
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    And whole grain...!
     
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    Rodinal is universal and practical. Both are good things to be.

    I haven't used it in years. Back in the 70's, I used it with 35mm Tri-X, mixed with sodium sulfite. It's been 20-odd years but I still remember the standard mixture: 2/3 coffee scoop (it didn't have to be precise) of sulfite per 8 ounces of water with 1:75 Rodinal for 11 1/2 minutes at 70 degrees. Using a condenser enlarger, the negatives printed beautifully on Kodabromide #3, Medalist #3 and Portriga Rapid #2 or #3 (sometimes).

    The whole process was connected at each step and it was standardized for my methods. Rodinal fit well into this standardized process--it was consistent, it was reliable and it was available. I changed my standard process when it became less locally available. Now I use D76. It's also consistent, reliable and available as well as universal and practical.
     
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    I know, but it sounded so good :smile:
     
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    Ah! A real commercial text!
     
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    I vote for Morten as the next Chief Exec of Agfa to ensure a lifetime supply of Rodinal for world peace :smile:
     
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    Someone said tha HC-110 is similar to Rodinal, I assume you mean at high dilution, having used both HC-110 dil H (1/2 of B) and Rodinal 1:100 to try and tame streetlights in my night cityscapes, I find Rodinal to produce much more attractive results. MUCH :smile:

    Rodinal rocks. I will still be using a stockpile of it to develop my frozen roll of Arial Plus-X when digi vidio cameras are Happy Meal toys.