Ektar + Crystal Archive - starting filtration

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  1. hoffy

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    Howdy All,

    I haven’t given Ektar a try yet printing it on Fuji Crystal Archive optically and plan to do so this weekend.

    Is anyone able to give me a pointer to the filter pack I should be starting with? I have gotten Fuji Reala & 400H reasonably close. How would the Ektar filter pack compare to these films?

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    It's hard to compare different colorheads. I'd just begin with whatever
    worked for your previous negs. That's what I did when I began printing
    Ektar and it didn't take much time to do the fine tuning. Besides this I had
    a very minor adjustment between CA Super C and the newer Type II. A bigger problem will be the idiosyncrasies with Ektar regarding color temp, but gross corrections in this dept can only be done when the shot is originally taken. It's a little less forgiving than traditional color neg films
    but also quite rewarding once you've figured it out.
     
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    Sure, I actually wasn't after values, moreso a comparison between filtration on this film compared to the Fuji films I listed above - I.E., 'Ektar requires much more (insert colour) then film Y'.

    From what I have seen from scans, the reds are going to be the key - but this is from auto lab scans, which may be a bit fuddy anyway.

    I'll just have to suck it and see!
     
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    The best 'waste' of a shot, when you are learning to print colour, is to make at least one sho on the roll with a grey card substantially filling the frame, and not shadowed by you or the camera. It need not be in focus.

    Then when you are trialling to get the right pack, you can lay the grey card beside the print you have made and dried.

    I know it sounds dumb, but try it for a roll or two.
     
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    I have found that it needs a different amount of magenta filtration compared to other Kodak films. The base is more magenta than orange and this needs to be filtered by around 10 - 20 points on the enlarger head.

    -Tim
     
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    ????? How are you processing that film, Tim? Are you sure you are talking about the base, or something completely different? The orange mask is very similar in value to that on Portra films.
    What format? I've shot and printed Ektar on everything from roll film to 8X10 (haven't printed any
    35mm yet).
     
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    That doesn't sound dumb at all - actually quite a simple and easy comparison and one that I should try. Thanks for the suggestion
     
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    OK, so I finally printed some up. Not sure if the colours were perfect, but I think they are close. Looks like the filtration was a lot more on both Magenta and Yellow. It took a few strips to get it right. Hopefully I am on the right track!

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    0C, 45Y, 45M is a good starting pack. What you need is a print viewing filter kit and viewing station.

    Thomas
     
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    The viewing pack I have, the viewing station I don't.