Enlarging pictures taken with ISO 3200 to 6400

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  1. igmolinav

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    Taking pictures between ISO 3200 and 6400

    Hi,

    The new Leica M, can take pictures with an ISO as
    high as 6400. On the other hand, Ilford manufactures
    a film, Delta 3200, that can be pushed to ISO 6400.
    This film, can be developed with Rodinal for a fine
    grain development.

    Many galleries, including the famous Leica Galleries
    exhibit prints made with Leicas. My question would
    be, which pictures would look less grainier, the ones
    taken with film at ISO 6400, or the ones taken with
    the digital Leica at same ISO? Lets say, that prints
    are not larger than six feet or two meters in all their
    dimensions. So, no larger than 20" x 24"

    If the pictures taken with film are good enough, there
    is no need for almost anyone to buy a digital camera
    within the next three years. Would you agree or disagree
    that film is still better than digital rangefinders with
    24 Megapixels? That film looks less grainy?

    Thank you in advance, kind regards,

    igmotita : ) !!!

    P.S. The negative can be printed directly with an enlarger, or
    scanned with a good scanner. It is your choice. I just
    want to see how good a film like Delta 3200 @ 6400
    fares when enlarging prints!
     
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    We're on OT thin ice here. But, to address your question, in that comparison, no, film will not look less grainy.
     
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    Rodinal is NOT a fine grain developer and hence is not recommended for fast films particularly when they are pushed. That is unless you are looking for coarse grain.
     
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    I've seen Delta 3200 @ 1600 in Perceptol looking relatively clean with a tight continuous grain structure.

    You won't approach a high MTF% @ 80 lp/mm+ with such high speed film.

    Semi-stand Rodinal is excellent for pushing, and gives good grain.
     
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    Film is a different animal than digital and Delta 3200 is a beautiful film.

    It enlarges just fine, it has its own look which is IMO decidedly not digital.
     
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    I can't figure out if this is trolling or cluelessness.

    As others said, Rodinal is anything but fine grain. Maybe you can stand it or sit it or something (/snark) and make it work, but I like T-Max developer and I'm sure DD-X would do as well or better, for pushing these films. I love Delta 3200 but sadly have to admit that, for best quality by the usual measures, digital spanks film in very low light. It just does, at least the lowest noise most sensitive digital cameras.

    But as Mark says the look is totally different. I've shot D3200 at 3200 but haven't tried 6400. Here's TMZ at 6400 though, printed on RA4 paper with the filtration adjusted to look like the torchlight it was shot under:

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    SCACOURT by Roger Cole, on Flickr
     
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    Would you happen to know of a source for Spürsinn HCD 2+S in the USA? This stuff sounds phenomenal…
     
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    Not really an APUG topic, but among other problems with the digital/analog comparison made above, you can't just look at the Leica M and conclude there digital has nothing to offer. Pros ain't using those. Nikon and Canon are making digital cameras that are producing cleaner and cleaner images at ridiculously high sensitivities. Shooting Delta 3200 at 3200, let alone 6400, is a significant push which will increases graininess. As an aside, try any of this in Rodinal and graininess will be higher.

    I'm an analog guy all the way, but at this point we can't use resolution and graininess (not quite the same as digital noise anyway) to support any view analog is "superior" to digital in terms of image quality. Those days are long gone, I'm afraid. Digital crushes analog when it comes to image quality at high sensitivities.
     
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    igmolinav:

    i don't think you would have any problem enlarging any film to that size.
    you can probably increase your iso even higher by hypering it in h2o2
    http://www.apug.org/forums/forum37/115740-hydrogen-peroxide-steaming-gain-addl-speed.html

    it isn't hard to enlarge anything after it has been electrified,
    i have some 8mm film stills for sale in a gallery and they are as big or bigger than you asked about ...
    swiss lenses make a difference, not that cheap german glass
     
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    Thanks for the extra link John,now I've got another argument to follow!
     
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    pleasure is all mine alan :smile:
     
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    Um.... I *want* grain in my photograph....
     
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    Film vs digital discussions are off topic for APUG.
     
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