eukobrom 1+9 vs. dektol 1+1

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  1. timeUnit

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    Hello!

    I just did a printing session with ADOX Fineprint Vario Classic G. The paper is on the neutral/cold side. Here's the thing.

    Last time I printed on that paper I used Dektol 1+1 instead of 1+2, because I had about 200 ml of it that looked brownish/tea colored, so I added 300 ml of a less oxidized batch and filled up with 500 ml of water. The tones on Vario Classic were definetely cold, almost blue. I loved it. I had been looking for that.

    Tonight, I worked with the same paper but Tetenal Eukobrom 1+9. I was a bit disappointed to find that the tones were much more neutral, with only a slight blue look, I mean I had to _wish_ to see the cold tone...

    Eukobrom is said to be a cold tone developer, at least by Silverprint and some APUGers. Any ideas on why the Dektol 1+1 gave colder tones?

    Developing time for Dektol 1+1 was 1 minute. For eukobrom 1+9 was 1,5 minutes.
     
  2. Tom Stanworth

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    This sounds a bit odd as I have used loads of Eukobrom and it has been very cold for all the papers I used it with. Polywarmtone went a horrid colour with a blue green black image on a slightly warm base but most neutral to cold papers were clearly very blue black and likeable.

    Tom
     
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    Dektol 1+1 has been likened to a very close approximation of Edwal Ultrablack. I would sugget that you try diluting Eukobrom 1+4. However you will also get an increase in contrast and will have to print accordingly. Alternatively add 15ml of 1% benzotriazole.
    I like cold papers. Where did you get the Adox from?
     
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    I use Eukobrom for all my work and everything is cold cold cold.

    I use Agfa MCP matt (RC), Ilford MG matt (RC) and Agfa MCC (fibre).
     
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    Adrian,
    I got the ADOX from fotoimpex.de.They have a UK branch, if you want to try some. www.fotoimpex.co.uk

    Morten,
    what dilution do you use?