Experiences using Agfa MCC 111 for lith printing?

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  1. pstake

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    I'd be interested to hear from people who used/use original Agfa MCC 111

    OR

    Adox MCC110

    Or, even better,

    Who have used both for Lith.

    Thanks!
    Phil
     
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    I've got 10 sheets of Agfa MCC110, which I've been meaning to try for ages. I believe it does lith but that it takes a very long time to come up (45 minutes was mentioned).

    I think early batches of the Adox paper lathed but later ones didn't.

    I think Tim Rudman's latest lith materials update mentioned the Adox paper.
     
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    The original Agfa MCC was great for lith about 15 years ago. If gave lots of contrast but smooth tones with yellow/reddish mid tones. The strange thing was that (to me) it never seemed very pliable. It had one look unlike say Forte Polywarmtone which could be anything from gritty gritty to fine smooth tones. The Agfa was great in keeping consistent look in prints and I did quite a bit of printing for fashion clients with it.

    At some point, the formulation must have changed as it suddenly went far more gritty so I stopped using it for lith. (This happened to another great lith paper Process Lith which later changed into Fotospeed Lith and by then had gone all gritty.) Have tried the Adox MCC for lith and was more on the gritty side though did get a print I quite liked.
     
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    Mike, do you remember which Agfa box lith'd well and if the change coincided with a change in the box the paper comes in?


    (ps. we need to contact Webster's about a verb entry for lith)
     
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    i have a box of 16x20 MCC 118 which i have lithed and it works really well. its right it takes about 45 minutes to come up and the blacks don't massively accelerate which i like because you can leave it in a bit longer while you wait for some of the highlight detail to come back in. you get lovely pastel beigee colours with this paper, im assuming its the same with 111 but just with a different surface finish.
     
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    Sorry for not replying sooner, noticed this when searching for another thread I replied to. It was definitely not the later MCC. I know they had a box design change when it went from being a tasteful Agfa box to a one with big words and a big BW photo on it. By then we had stopped using it for lith I expect though was great for all other printing!
     
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    It liths great. In LD20 and Moersch it goes a sandy brown / tan colour. MCC 118 works as well in my experience. I never had to wait 45 min for a print, but I suppose it depends on the dilution of your developer.