ferric (III) oxalate testing

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  1. George Papantoniou

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    In order to test whether the ferric oxalate is still good I have I found (in this book) there is a thing I could do: I dissolved three drops of it in 20ml of water, then added a solution (10%) of pottasium ferricyanate. If it became blue, that would mean that it was worthless.

    The solution of ferric oxalate was yellow (like urine :surprised: ). The potassium ferricyanate solution was also yellow. When I added the one in the other, it stayed yellow. Does this mean that my ferric oxalate is still good ?
     
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    Hi George,

    The potassium ferricyanate solution was also yellow.

    You need potassium ferricyanide.

    Cheers,
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    Oh, s***... to tell you the truth, I am not really sure what it was... -ate or -ide... I'll have to check... is the one I really need (ferricyanide) NOT yellow ?
    The colour of the powder I used was red, the solution made out of it quite yellow.

    In high school, I was a good student... but the worst grades I ever got were in chemistry... I guess this is my punishment...
     
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    Sounds like Potassium Ferricyanide.
    From Dick Stevens book
     
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    Doug, in the book I found it in the procedure of testing was described the other way round... so I added a little Ferricyanide solution in a weak solution of Ferric Oxalate (some water with three drops of Oxalate).

    I'll do it the way you describe and see what happens...
     
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    Well, I did what Doug suggested and guess what... a blue precipitate formed... now I have either to order new Ferric Oxalate (from Germany) or add Oxalic acid in mine. What do you think is best ? I can find Oxalic Acid easily here in Greece. Will the result be as good as if I used freshly made Ferric (III) Oxalate ? How much Oxalic Acid should I add ?

    Thanks for your help, lads...
     
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    Since oxalic acid is used in most of the methods for making Ferric Oxalate, don't see any disadvantage from adding it to existing solution. From Dick Stevens book on Kallitypes
     
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    WOW!!! Thank you Doug... can you tell me if I can find your terrific book you mention (where you have found all this interesting info) ?

    Now I only have to find out how to measure 0.125 g of a chemical... :confused:
     
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    0.125 gram does seem overly precise, but that's the nature of Dick Stevens book - Making Kallitypes: A Definitive Guide published by Focal Press, 1993. Its out of print & I picked up my copy thru a BookFinder search (mine is apparently an extra copy that Phil Davis had).