Fogged Paper Disposal

Discussion in 'B&W: Film, Paper, Chemistry' started by Stan160, Dec 5, 2011.

  1. Stan160

    Stan160 Member

    Messages:
    475
    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2006
    Location:
    Woking, Surr
    Shooter:
    35mm
    I've got 2-300 sheets of RC paper which has fogged badly and is only capable of very low contrast even with G5 filtration. No huge loss as some is from ebay for next to nothing, some donated from friends, and the tail end of a couple of boxes bought over 5 years ago.

    My time is precious, so not really interested in experimenting with anti-fogging additives, and I think it's probably too far gone for that anyway. It's really only fit for the bin, but I don't like the idea of sending all that silver to landfill.

    Is there anywhere in the UK I can send this where the silver can be recovered? I'll even pay for postage if necessary rather than just see it go to waste.

    Thanks,
    Ian
     
  2. Ian C

    Ian C Member

    Messages:
    722
    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2009
    Shooter:
    Large Format
    There’s not much silver in a modest amount of paper. About the easiest way to extract it is to soak the paper in fixer. That dissolves the silver salts from the emulsion. The silver salts are then in solution in the fixer. The silver can be extracted from the fixer by electrolysis. It used to be that all high-volume photo labs had silver recovery units to remove the silver from spent fixing baths. Some amateur darkrooms were equipped with small units. In the US a popular version was sold under the name, “The Silver Magnet.”

    Here’s one with a different name.

    http://www.porters.com/silver-magnet-silver-recovery-unit.html

    http://www.pneac.org/sheets/all/silver.cfm
     
  3. railwayman3

    railwayman3 Member

    Messages:
    2,024
    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2008
    Shooter:
    35mm
    As you're in the UK, perhaps ask Simon at Ilford/Harman if they could accept it to put with their silver waste for recovery? (Sorry if I'm speaking out of turn in that, but I understood from the factory visit that they recover all the silver from their waste like paper and film offcuts).
     
  4. Ricus.stormfire

    Ricus.stormfire Member

    Messages:
    271
    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2009
    Location:
    Bloemfontein
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    I'm not sure if it could be appealing to you, but (depending on brand) you could try developing those sheets in lith developer...I nearly tossed the same amount of old fogged Kodak Polymax, and tried it in lith...now it's the only paper I use with lith.

    Just my 2c. Otherwise: See above poster (Ian C)
     
  5. Gerald C Koch

    Gerald C Koch Member

    Messages:
    6,241
    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2010
    Location:
    Southern USA
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Donate the paper to a school, the students can have fun making sun prints by placing various objects on the paper and exposing it to sunlight. The light will darken the paper and no development is required.
     
  6. Barry S

    Barry S Member

    Messages:
    1,347
    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2007
    Location:
    DC Metro
    Shooter:
    Large Format
    Why don't you give it away on the forum? Someone making lumen prints or experimenting might find it useful. I'll bet someone nearby you snaps it up if you offer it.
     
  7. papagene

    papagene Membership Council Council

    Messages:
    5,302
    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2004
    Location:
    Tucson, AZ
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    If they havn't been processed, how about giving (or selling) it to someone who is doing carbon transfer printing?
     
  8. keithwms

    keithwms Member

    Messages:
    6,073
    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2006
    Location:
    Charlottesvi
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Yes, I was going to suggest donating to someone who does lith. Even if they are too fogged for lith prints, they might make nice "old brown" generators...
     
  9. gmikol

    gmikol Member

    Messages:
    304
    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2009
    Location:
    Vancouver, W
    Shooter:
    35mm
    Carbon printer sending a PM...

    --Greg
     
  10. Stan160

    Stan160 Member

    Messages:
    475
    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2006
    Location:
    Woking, Surr
    Shooter:
    35mm
    I do lith print, but never got anything I liked with any of this paper even before it went bad. I'd not considered it would be usable by anyone else. International shipping is a bit steep, but if someone in the UK can use this paper and wouldn't mind covering my costs I'll be happy to send any combination of the following:

    All quantities are a rough guess; may be more, may be less.

    8x10 (50 sheets) and 12x16 (5 sheets) (also a few sheets of some unidentified 9.5x12 that's probably the same paper) Ilford MGIV RC Pearl
    10x10 Kentmere Bromide Glossy RC Grade 2 (30 sheets) and Grade 3 (50 sheets)
    5x7 (60 sheets), 8x10 (60 sheets), 12x16 (5 sheets) Kentmere VC Select
    8x10 Ilford Merit RC Grade 2 (20 sheets) and Grade 3 (20 sheets)

    Once again, I'll make it clear that I've been unable to get clear highlights on any of this paper. The graded has very noticeably lost contrast, and the multigrade is unable to get to more that G1-2 even with G5 filtration. The newest paper is around 6 years old, and some is 10 or more and has an uncertain storage history.

    Ian
     
  11. jnanian

    jnanian Advertiser Advertiser

    Messages:
    19,986
    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2003
    Location:
    local
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    hi stan

    i sell silver magnets if you have the hankering to go that route . they cost 55 + shipping.
    i have armloads of fogged paper used for paper negatives and sun prints, its fun :smile:

    have you tried to make paper negatives with your paper?

    good luck !
    john