Fomapan R100 redated expired film?

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  1. Alessandro Serrao

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    From dr5.com:

    "FILM UPDATE - JUNE~SEPT 2012 : We have gotten no notice from either 'foma the company or the US-importer' of this film. EM#-017676-01 HAS NOT been recalled. We have recently been getting in EM#-015676-02 with an Exp date of 2011-06. The same EM# has been coming in with an Exp-date of 2013-07. This is "REDATED" expired film. The factory is surley aware of this, I am sure the importer is as well. "

    Actually I have the batch 015676/02 exp date 2012-11.
    If this is true, Foma can be sued...
    Anyone can confirm this?
     
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    In the USA most companies have replaced an "expiration date" with a "best by" date. There is really no magic date that any product goes bad on. The maker of any product has to guess at the date when it will or will not meet their arbitrary set quality standards. Perhaps the newly formulated film lasts much longer than the old film. Don't sue them just buy the film. If it works for you buy more. If it has too much fog and lack of contrast spend more and buy Kodak, Ilford or Fuji film.
     
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    Great idea Alessandro, lets sue Foma, so it can loose so much money that it has to close it's doors!
    What about part of master roll being frozen until later delivery date??
     
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    Freezing slows down but doesn't halt the aging process...
    Here we are talking at least 5 years span...
     
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    In our home freezers most likely not but I'm not sure about industrial scale freezing operations? I heard stories about Kodak doing it for years. Not sure what are Foma's freezing capabilities.
    Also light sensitive materials now is not very lucrative business, they have to squeeze out as much as they can from existing inventory.
    You can always sue them or switch to other film supplier, there are still few left!
     
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    The expiry date, I am 99% sure, was created just to insure film producers somekind of a turnaround. Imagine films not having an expiry date: The companies would go bankrupt in no time.

    I've used Iso 100 BW film that was expired fo r15 years with absolutely no change. My 20x24 prints are beautiful.
     
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    Slow films do last a very long time past expiry, but I've found the dates on high speed films like Tmax 3200 and Delta 3200 should be religiously observed. I've used Tri-X that was a few yrs outdated and it was pretty awful.
     
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    For the moment being I've sent an email to Foma asking for explanation.
    I'll report asap.
     
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    People love to kill film companies.

    There must be a real desire to put Foma out of business. I remember the 120 backing paper threads from a couple of years ago.

    Personally I love Foma films and papers and hope they remain in business for a long time. It's sad we have recently lost Fotokemika. And Ferrania not long before that.
     
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    Film companies kill themselves. All of them. Kodak, Efke, Agfa.
    The customer cannot do anything except buying their products; the customer as a consumer should be free to decide to spend his/her money on something else just because the company acted in a certain way or doesn't care for him... It's called freedom of choice.
     
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    Some people seem determined to make other people's choices for them.

    You threaten to sue Foma. Isn't it easier for you to just make your choice to not buy their film?

    In the end, your suit would fail because you are not qualified to determine the expiration or best-used-by date for this film. Each producer is free to make those determinations.

    I will order 10 rolls of Foma today to display my support.
     
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    Didn't Kodak do this for almost a decade with Tech Pan, and for 4 years with Kodachrome?

    I don't think that this is all that uncommon, especially with low-volume stock.
     
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    IMHO it only really matters if the "expiry" date is later than it should be - i.e. the film will have lost quality before it reaches that date.
     
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    My issue with Foma has nothing to do with expiration dates, its the soft emulsion. But I am working on a way around that issue. Personally I love the look of their film, the best way for me to describe it is "rich", it seems to have a really wide tonal range. I intend to buy more very soon, once my DIY drying cabinet is done.
     
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    I'm confused. Where did Alessandro advocate suing Foma? I noticed he said they can be sued, but that doesn't even constitute a hint that he has any inclination to do so. Nor is he suggesting anyone else do so. Am I missing something?
     
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    That's right up to the last word.
    I don't want to sue Foma and I will continue to use their products until they either stop producing them or they mess around with them up to the point of being unusable.
    So far I've had not a problem with Foma films or paper.