Formula?

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  1. glbeas

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    I've been looking for the posting with the split developer formula with hydroquinone replacing the pyro part and can't find it. Can anybody help?
     
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    Split D-23?

    Bath A
    1liter water to make
    85g Sodium Sulfite
    6.25g Metol

    Bath B
    1liter water to make
    12g Sodium Metaborate

    Bath A 4 minutes, Bath B 4 minutes - Temp not critical - emulsion type not critical
     
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    Npe, this one is hydroquinone replacing the pyrogallol in a pyro type developer.
     
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    Are you wanting a formula for a paper developer or a film developer?
     
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    If it was a film developer, it may be one that I posted.

    I posted a variation on a Pat Gainer formulation that replaced the pyrocatechol in Sandy King's Pyrocat-HD, 1:1 with hydroquinone.

    The recipe worked and produced good stain and tanning, but it had lower activity and the tonal values were not quite equal to those produced by the original Pyrocat-HD formulation (based on blue channel densitometry plus A,B comparison of print densities and tonality).

    The formulation was only split in the sense that it was presented as 2 concentrated stock solutions formulated for maximum shelf life - like Pyrocat-HD.
     
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    Addendum:
    If you are concerned about safety and the environmental impacts of pyrocatechol versus hydroquinone, IMO they are pretty much equal.

    Both of these substances occur naturally and are ubiquitous in the natural environment.

    Neither one appears to be a significant health or environmental risk if handled with reasonable precautions (dumping of massive amounts - like recently happened in China - creates problems). Take a look at the MSDAs for both substances. Also look at their WHO evironmental impact assesments. They are on the internet.
     
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    Thanks Tom, that's just what I was looking for! I have a jar of hydroquinone I want to play with, and thought that would be a good project, so I wanted to see what else to get for it.
     
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    Just as an experiment, you might try this: dissolve a teaspoon of sodium carbonate in 250 ml water, and a teaspoon of hydroquinone in another 250 ml water. Load a test roll in a tank, mix the two solutions and pour. I would suggest a trial time of 6 minutes. I use this developer as an intensifier for negs that were underdeveloped in a non-staining developer. I bleach the thoroughly washed neg in a ferri-bromide solution,wash it, and in full room light or even daylight, redevelop it in that soup to completion.

    The color of the added image is redder than that from PMK.
     
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    I followed my own advice. 6 minutes was just about right for 400TX 35 mm. Gradations are good to my eye. Perhaps a little bromide would help, but fog was not a serious problem for silver printing. The neg printed well on VC paper. Grain was a little bit high on TX, but I think sharpness is good. It ought to be worth a try on LF. It's simple enough, will help use up your hydroquinone before it spoils, and you might like it, who knows.

    The solution looks exhausted the minute you mix the two parts. You will be tempted to add sulfite. Sulfite prevents the stain from forming if you add too much, and too much is a tiny amount. It will last long enough to do your film without sulfite.

    At the least you will learn something you may not have known, that was known many years ago and lost in the rush to embrace the scientific belief system rather than the scientific method.
     
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    If I were you I would use that hydroquinone were you need larger amounts and make the IMHO best use of it: paper developers.

    Stefan
     
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    I never did say what the original formula was. It was in my article on The Role of Antifreeze in Photographic Science in Mar/Apr Photo Techniques. That recipe called for 10 grams of hydroquinone and 0.25 grams of phenidone dissolved in propylene glycol to make 100 ml. It is necessary to heat the mixture condiserably to get it to dissolve. Once dissolved it does not precipitate. There is no sulfite, bisulfite or bromide in it. It is used with the same B solution as Pyrocat-HD, to which bromide may be added if fogging is a problem. This is not, IIRC, the same formula that Tom Hoskinson posted. The glycol served the function of preservative without contributing any activity, and in fact inhibiting activity until water is added. This allows experimenting with sulfite free developers of many kinds. If sulfite is desired, it is easily added to the B solution.
     
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    Thanks Pat, everything I can gather will make the experience more fun and rewarding. Maybe one day I'll know enough to develop an interesting developer. (pun might be intended- I'll never tell!)
     
  13. Tom Hoskinson

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    glbeas:

    The recipe I posted simply replaced the 5 grams of catechol in Pyrocat-HD with 5 grams of hydroquinone. The amount of phenidone remained at 0.2 grams. Bisulfite and potassium bromide were eliminated from the "A" solution (bromide or benzotriazole to be added later as required). I dissolved the phenidone and hydroquinone in about 30 ml of methanol at room temperature. I then added ethylene glycol to make 100 ml total.

    The "B" solution remained as 100 grams of potassium carbonate dissolved in water to make 125 ml total.

    As Pat Gainer has said, propylene glycol works just as well (in the inert solvent/preservative role) as ethylene glycol and is less toxic.

    Friday, I used a variation of Pat Gainer's method of heating propylene glycol to mix some percentage solutions (pyrogallol, catechol and phenidone) for PPPD testing. I used a hot plate and magnetic stirrer plus a digital thermometer and found that these developing reagents dissolved around 140 to 160 degrees F.

    Metol doesn't dissolve in any of the alcohols/glycols. I expect that Glycin won't either.
     
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    If you do not specifically need a staining developer, the PQ-Glycol solution may be diluted with an equal amount of triethanolamine. Dilute the result for use 1+25 and add a pinch (very unscientific, I know) of sulfite. Development time for FP4+ will be about 7 minutes at 70 F with intermittent agitation. The amount of sulfite is not critical, so for "pinch" you can substitute 1/4 tsp per liter. Just enough to activate the synergism between phenidone and hydroquinone.
    See what can happen when you spend too much time in the darkroom and not enough taking pictures?