Fujifilm Kills Two More Films

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    If you link to the eBay Pro 400 off Photo Rumour's webpage. It is the 400H. Wasn't the 400H Pro the only professional C41 Fuji did?
     
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    Per that article that's linked to they say the neopan 400, which is the American or European version of neopan 400 presto, was discontinued last year. I thought there was just a thread six or seven months ago insisting it was being reintroduced and everything was fine. I was skeptical and I was pretty much ridiculed for being skeptical, guess I was right unfortunately...
     
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    Didn't they get rid of Neopan 100 and now 400. Are all Fuji b/w film gone?
     
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    That's a shame - there was a great razor-like sharpness to the grain of Neopan. It was my favorite 400 film (and the 1600 was even better, although too expensive for me to buy much of, unfortunately) and I miss it.
    Thankfully, Kodak's restructured leaving some phenomenal quality film and of course the one and only Ilford -- even more choices there. Fuji's loss, really.
     
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    The Neopan 100SS they discontinued a long time ago. I believe Neopan Acros 100 is still around.
     
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    Big shame. I love Neopan 400. Still have a few dozen frozen rolls in both 120 and 35 that I treasure even more now! That said I am VERY happy with the four remaining high-quality alternatives: HP5+, Delta 400, Tri-X and Tmax 400, all capable of terrific results. Hope Kodak stays around but if not Ilford will suffice.
     
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    After the petition and many letters to Fuji Japan in an attempt to save their "flagship" Velvia 50 product in sheet film..... I suspect you're statement is very correct to a point. :cry:
     
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    AFAIK, Pro 400 is 400H (the repackaging)
     
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    With Fuiji's Facebook page they have only been promoting their digital stuff ... color and b/w.

    What is left of Fuji film anyway now? Acros 100 for b/w. Anymore? Superia still there but any pro C41? There is Velvia 50 and 100 (non F) and Provia 100.
     
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    http://fujifilm.jp/personal/filmandcamera/film/color/professional/index.html

    "135(35mm)サイズ、220サイズは出荷終了いたしました。
    120サイズの最終出荷時期は2014年5月上旬の見込みです。"

    The data sheets for Pro 400 and 400H are a bit different. But there's 8 years between the data sheets.

    And there are separate listings, 35mm and 220 already discontinued in Pro 400, and there's no size discontinuation notice under 400H, so I'm guessing it's around still.
     
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    No doubt they feel they have the film burners that are left as a captive audience. No need to court to us. Too bad, their V-50 has been an excellent product over the years. Thankfully still available in roll stock to date.
     
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    Never paid it attention before because Portra 400. But it looks like Pro 400 is to Pro 400H, as 400VC was to 400NC.
     
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    B&H doesn't sell any if I put in the search field "Fuji 160".
     
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    Fuji's Pro 160S and C is long gone in all formats, at least in the US. Not sure if you can still get it in Japan.
     
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    Which means in time Fuji won't have any professional C41? Assuming this 400H is Pro 400.
     
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    Pro 160NS is the current 160 film. I picked some up recently.

    There's another separate entry for Pro 400H, there are no discontinuation notices for it, the data sheet is from 2013 and specifies 35mm and 120.

    The entry for Pro 400 reads as a vivid portrait film, so think Portra 400VC.
     
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    But if I went thru the entire film section under FujiFilm with Adorama they don't list any 160 speed neg film at all..... Could it be like New Zealand that's the stock what is still available. I mean in NZ we can still get APS film but expired and 400X etc etc .. Could be Japan but who knows, me somehow doubt it.
     
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    That means either that don't buy it from the distributor, or the U.S. distributor no longer imports it, and they don't have any grey stock. I picked up fresh 160NS in 120 when I went to Singapore for quite cheap. You can get it online too.

    160NS is a current product, 400X isn't

    http://fujifilm.jp/personal/filmandcamera/film/color/professional/index.html
    ^-- all pro colour neg

    160NC only in 4x5, no quick loads, etc..

    160NS is more formats.


    According to their site, they tend to announce discontinuations on there.

    E-6
    http://fujifilm.jp/personal/filmandcamera/film/reversal/index.html
     
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    For practicality it is big ask for people to just import film or buy them during a oveseas holiday. One may ask how long would that .....
     
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    I was in Japan last December and could not find Fuji 160NS film *anywhere*. No where in Tokyo anyway.

    That said, I can still buy 160NS here in China and in fact, bought 5 rolls this past weekend. I suspect we are on the last bit of stock for this film.
     
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    I don't find it impractical, often make group orders from B&H, I don't support local film distributors.

    Small orders also can work out well on that auction site and such.
     
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    The discontinuation notices for this films have been out for a while. I was in Tokyo a month ago and stocked up on all this films. Neopan 400 (35mm), Fuji 160NS (120) and Provia 400X (120).

    And yes, you could still buy some 160NS in 120 and 220. I have just checked Yodobashi website and every single store they have has it in stock. Same for 220 version, but it looks like the stock levels are a lot lower.

    As for Pro 400, it's consumer version and it's cheaper than Pro 400H. As far as I know, it's Japan only. Here's a link to what it looks like:
    http://www.yodobashi.com/富士フイルム-FUJIFILM-PRO400-120-12枚撮-5本パック/pd/100000001000267713/
     
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    Nothing new about this news, Pro 400 and 400H is different etc.

    1.
    Pro 400 and 400H are different product and not repackaged product, I have used both. It is clearly a different product.

    Pro 400 negative was "adjusted" to Japanese needs and likes. But 400H was adjusted for oversees needs and likes.

    Pro 400 is the Professional version of C41 film for Fuji, NOT consumer version.
    I know 400H is expensive but usually the "discontinuing" films in Japan will be cheaper than the ongoing production films (e.g. I bought last production 120 roll of Kodak EPR / E100GP about USD 2.00 per roll in the past).

    Please note that even Kodak produced E100"GP" (not E100G, E100GP is a modified version of E100G) ONLY just for Japanese market in the past.
    2.
    Fuji PRO160NS is an active product in Japan for the time being. You should find it out in Tokyo (if you find the right place) and I still see the product not only in Tokyo.
    3.
    Fuji did ONLY sell Pro 400 in the Japanese market, and never sold 400H in Japan.
    But several years ago, they started experimentally selling 400H in Japanese market(there was no Japanese printed in the film box).
    4.
    I thought that the move mention above paragraph 3, that is concurrently selling Pro 400 and 400H, is the move to unify the product to single product worldwide for the 400 speed professional C41 film.
    I bet it was a burden for Fuji to make a 400 speed C41 professional film specialized just only for the Japanese market.

    If Fuji thinks that the Japanese market can accept 400H it was clear that they will quit selling Pro400 and sell 400H instead to unify the professional 400 speed C41 film worldwide.

    The fact was:
    I don't really know that Japanese customer really accepted 400H (although I have read the comment in Fuji's web that Japanese market accepted 400H) but anyway Fuji decided to go with 400H and cut off Pro 400.

    That is what its all about.
    Nothing new.

    5.
    For NEOPAN 400, we all know that Browine size (Oops, apologize we Japanese call 120 "Browine size") was already discontinued, so it was clear that it was a matter of time that 135 NEOPAN 400 will be discontinued soon.

    That is all about.
    Nothing new.

    6.
    Note that even that Fuji's Japanese Web site do NOT state that Velvia 100"F" is not discontinued in 120 size but if you go to Yodobashi Camera in Shinjuku, there is a poster that states "production of Velvia 100F in Browine size(120) ceased, suggesting if you want, buy now".
    Velvia 100F is still left and still sold in Japan, and with the much cheaper price than Velvia 100/50.
    7.
    Note that Fuji still provides not only 100 speed B&W film (ACROS) but still provides chemicals (prepackaged B&W developer, fixer, etc.) and B&W papers
    (compare with other famous film maker that makes several B&W films but quit making B&W papers).

    But it my understanding that Fuji's chemicals and papers are usually not available overseas.

    Also note Fuji didn't established / conquer the B&W market even in Japan and in the heyday of film (Oh yes, Tri-X was more popular than NEOPAN in Japan).
    Since there less actual player in the film market now, so the NEOPAN ACROS coming to light?

    Currently, the Fuji's least profitable sector is the "Imaging" sector (I didn't say silver halide products).
    If Fuji really wants, they can immediately kill the entire B&W product lineup.

    It is my understanding that Fuji will provide the sliver halide products in the foreseeable future.
    The question is that "what" product Fuji still provide in the foreseeable future.
    I bet even Fuji can not definitely know what product can be provided in the foreseeable future.
    I know there is a rumor about some product, but I won't write it here, since it is still a rumor.

    It is all dependent on how much the product sells.

    We know that "Cheki" ("Instax" in USA) is the growing product, for other silver halide product, I don't know.

    To wrap it up, do use the product, do not spend so much time on the web for these kind of things.
     
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