Is stabilization available for analog?

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  1. David Lyga

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    Is there a device which might screw onto the tripod socket of an SLR that would provide the ability to hand-hold film cameras at slow speeds (1/4, 1/8, etc) and get sharp results? I think that there are some lenses with this built-in but I am talking about a separate device. - David Lyga
     
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    Yes, a gyro-motor.
     
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    Meditation might help too...
     
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    Ah, yes. Gyroscopes. When you are in a helicopter or on a boat, a tripod just doesn't work.

    Not cheap. Can be rented. Not lightweight. Heavy battery consumption.

    Always wanted something like this, even if a toy version existed.

    http://www.ken-lab.com/
     
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    Take a few slow, deep breaths, let the last one out partway, settle in and take the shot. :smile: May not work for everyone, but it helps me.
     
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    Then, if they are so expensive, why does every damn digital camera have on built-in? Expose my ignorance please. - David Lyga
     
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    If you're OK with autofocus, Canon or Nikon AF analog bodies like the EOS 3 and F100 can use image stabilized lenses too.. Some of the Canon ones like the 100L IS and the new 24-70 f/4L IS are pretty remarkable in what they can do to remove hand tremors. I've hand-held the Nikon 16-35 VR at 1/4 of a second no problamo.
     
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    For an outside-mounted unit, it has to be big and extremely precise. Like a Segway scooter. For internal designs, they are very tiny. They can use other motion detectors instead of Gyroscopes.
     
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    David, those attached stabilizers have to stabilize the whole camera (actually your hand plus camera...)

    The internal (modern) stabilizers only have to move a rather tiny optical element.
     
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    Some rely on in-lens systems instead.

    And it is a lot easier to move electrons around or a sensor which is the size of a postage stamp then it is to move a chunk of film.
     
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    +1, except that you don't need to use the lenses on autofocus. And if you have EOS bodies, now Canon has three (relatively) compact primes with IS: 24/2.8, 28/2.8 and 35/2, so you're no longer stuck with monster zooms or telephotos if you want IS in a film camera.
     
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    There are a number of film cameras that support the same stabilized lenses you see used on the DSLR's. This technique of moving the lens elements to counteract for camera motion isn't very expensive and it costs the same for film or digital.
    As for separate devices that use the gyro principle these devices actually stabilize the camera and keep it steady. They have to be heavy because if they are not heavy they are not effective and they are also expensive. They were available long before the in lens or in camera were available. They don't need a computer to run them just power the spin the gyro.
     
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    Why don't you just buy a stabilised lens? Canon, Nikon and Sigma sell a whole bunch of them that will work on 35mm film bodies; it's Sony that does stabilisation in the body instead (therefore no stabilisation available on Minolta SLRs).

    You want an external stabiliser? It's called a tripod.
     
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    Because they are expensive? Because one loves that camera body that does not accept a stabilized lens?
     
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    A steadycam system is designed for with another kind of camera movement in mind.
     
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    One thing that could help is the "string pod."

    Mount a tripod plate onto the bottom to hold a section of string (preferably strong twine) about 4-6 feet long. With the string unrolled to the ground, step on it to keep it in place and pull up on the camera. The tension will give you anywhere from 1/3 to 2 stops increase in stability.

    The amount that you can increase your shutter time depends on several factors, but I've gotten decent results with it in a pinch.
     
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    I believe that stabilization you refer to David would have been available in film cameras and lenses if digital had never been invented, it's interesting to speculate what modern film cameras would be be like if the R&D budget and effort spent by the manufacturers on digital imaging had been spent on film photographic equipment.
     
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    I can buy any of the NIkon VR lenses for the FX format and use it on my F5 and it would have the VR features. I am sure it would work on the F6 and perhaps the F100 as well. I can't do it on the F3 because the F3 was introduced before the VR was invented. Nikon or Canon doesn't discriminate against film cameras in this case.
     
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    Canon does, by changing from FD to EF bayonet, the former being used by many of us here.
     
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    but they changed to the EF mount for film cameras for more than 10 years before they used it for digital. The EF mount isn't digital only mount.
     
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    Canon shall be rehabilitated.
     
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    As I understand it, Canon's change to the EOS system and the EF mount was motivated by a desire to increase the speed and efficacy of the automatic systems in the cameras, with particular emphasis on auto-focus.