Is this a LF lens ???

Discussion in 'Ultra Large Format Cameras and Accessories' started by BlueWind, Jun 4, 2011.

  1. BlueWind

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    I don't know anything about LF gear, but this lens came to my hands and looks very unnusual to a 35 mm / MF user.
    Inscriptions : SOM BERTHIOT PARIS 1114862 FLOR 1:4,5 F=165
    Manual diaphragm, from 4,5 to 32; no shutter, no focusing
    Photos here
    http://s627.photobucket.com/albums/tt360/foto_apparat/Berthiot Flor 165/

    My search atempts disclosed two lenses for sale with the same references, but they look different from mine.
    Is this a LF lens ? Has this model some variants - or are there parts missing in my lens ? Or could it be other kind of lens (enlarger, cine ??)...
    Thank you in advance
    Joao
     
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    I think it's an enlarger lens...
     
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    +1
    My thoughts too.

    Steve
     
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  5. BlueWind

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    Thank you all !
    Matt -I had seen that catalogue but was still in doubt due to the differences in the barrel design (my lens and the drawing); but maybe that was some former version of the lens.

    Best regards
    Joao
     
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    It probably could be used for LF taking. I'm inclined to think it be an enlarger lens as it bears serious resemblance to my wollensak enlarging raptar 162/4.5, which was a lens for 4x5 enlarging.
     
  7. Dan Fromm

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    Interesting. I have in hand a SOM Berthiot brochure from around 1950. It lists Flor enlarging lenses: 50/3.5, 75/4.5, 105/4.5, 135/4.5, 165/4.5 and 200/4.5. And it shows pictures of some of them.

    It also mentions Flor taking lenses, shows pictures of 105/3.5 and 300/4.5, both in barrel.

    The two types' barrels differ. The OP's lens looks like a taking lens, not like an enlarging lens. In fact, it looks much like my 135/6.8 Perigraphe Ser. VIb in barrel. I vote for taking lens.

    I also have images of some pages of an SOM Berthiot catalog from around 1950. It lists a 165/4.5 Flor taking lens, for 10 cm x 15 cm. I vote for taking lens.

    jp498, reasoning from one manufacturer to another rarely works well. Also, that a lens is in barrel doesn't mean that it has to be an enlarging lens. This is a typical ignorant ebay seller's mistake, and is how I once snagged a 135/5.6 Symmar in barrel for $32 delivered.
     
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    Drop it on a Graflex!