Just Bought a Mamiya RB67

Discussion in 'Medium Format Cameras and Accessories' started by M. Walter Lyon, Aug 4, 2004.

  1. M. Walter Lyon

    M. Walter Lyon Member

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    As I have never owned a medium format camera, I was wondering is this a good first time Medium format. WouldN'T mind hearing from any previous RB67 owners about any tricks or advice on it. I bought it from ebay, there was very little in the description, but hey I got it for 400.00 bucks.
     
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    My first med format was an RB67 PRo S, they are tanks. Built strong, and depending on the vintage have great lenses. Did you get a professional? Pro-S or the Pro SD body? What lens?

    The thing that takes a bit to get used to is that the shutter is in the lens, not the body. The C lenses and the newer lenses are great. The original ones are hit or miss depending on the sample you get.

    Got a link to the auction?
     
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    I have the same RB67 you do (the original, not Pro-S or Pro-SD) and am very pleased with it. I prefer a lens shutter to camera body shutter because flash sync is available at all speeds. I also appreciate the fact that the camera is all-mechanical. No worrying about dead batteries (except in my handheld meter, I guess)!

    Make a habit out of winding the film back as soon as you take a shot. There is no interlock to prevent accidental double exposures in the original model.

    The RB67 Pro-SD manual is available for download in PDF format from mamiya.com. There are very few differences in the various RB67 models. You'll notice that you lack focus lock, double exposure prevention, and a couple other misc features.

    Enjoy your new camera!
     
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    Looks like a good user camera. The ability to do double exposures is somethiung that will take getting used to. You'll screw up a bunch of good shots, then you'll start to remember it. hehe. Looks like the 65mm lens attached to it. Have you been in touch with the seller yet? Becareful, his/her feedback is only 4. Just make sure everything smells ok before you send you money.

    Brian
     
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    Great camera

    I have been using and repairing these tanks for many years and can tell you it is a great machine. The only thing you would want to do is change the seals. Buy seal material from MicroTek, it's self stick and an assorted pack is about $25, 3 8x10 sheets of 3 thicknesses. You'll have enough material to do everything you own and even do friends cameras too. Just clean out the old gook, cut the strips, peel and stick. That's it. There are internal seals in the body but you'd have to open it to get to them. If the body doesn't leak light, leave it alone.

    Be sure to cock the camera before taking off the lens and also be sure the body and lens are cocked before mounting the lens. You can do serious damage by not doing this correctly.

    Also DON'T FORCE ANYTHING!

    Don't touch the mirror it is very fragile and looks like it's bent. It sits higher on one corner than the other. A common mistake is to try and straighten it. I replace mirros on many RBs because of this.

    If you need any technical info, e-mail me at AUTOMAX1@JUNO.COM.
     
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    Thanks everyone for the feedback. I have been in touch with the seller. She tells me she is selling it for a friend who bought and never used it. But the seller said she has used it once and loved it. She says it is light tight and in working order. Bmac she says 90mm lense sound right? Paul thanks for the VERY useful information. I am the type who would try to straighten the mirror.If I cock the camera before I remove the lense will both stay cocked afterward or will I have to cock them both again before reuniting them? Anywho, will be sending the payment sometime soon will let you all know when it comes in. Thanks again!
     
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    From the pics in the ebay listing, I think it's the 90mm lens. I have the RB67 Pro S - great camera. You can download the manual for the Pro S at:

    http://www.mamiya.com/assets/pdfs/6x7/RB67_Pro-S_v7.PDF

    The differences between this one and the Pro are very minor, so the manual should be very helpful to you.
     
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    cocking the camera an lens

    Yes when you cock the camera with the lens on, it cocks both. When you remove the lens, it will stay cocked unless you push in the tiny silver pin at the top and advance the pins at the green and red dots. That is how you can fire the lens independant of the camera and the camera independant of the lens. Just be sure to recock the lens by advancing the 2 pins to the dots again till they lock in place and check the body too.

    If you should lock the lens on, don't force anything, there is a way to unlock it, DON'T FORCE ANYTHING! It's a paper clip job through a hole in the front just under the leatherete, top right corner.

    The mirror thing may sound silly but it's a common mistake of nubies who look inside this monster for the first time. They think it's a bit cocked to one side and try forcing it and it will crack like an egg shell. I have plenty of mirror if you need so don't fret it if you do break it.

    The lens you are getting is a non-C but is a great piece of glass. If the shutter goes on it, I can do that repair, you won't need a new shutter as Mamiya will tell you they can do for just $400 adn your first born and maybe an arm and just a leg as down payment.

    Congratulations, it's a wonderfull camera adn if you ever feel brave, try fixing it yourself, it's a beautiful machine to work on.
     
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    Paul excellent info. I am a computer tech, being such I can appreciate the complexity of the inner workings of things. Ihave no doubt that with the proper documentation I could learn to dismantle and repair this baby, if I needed too. Any idea where i could get a service manual?
     
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    The mamiya service manual is available from CameraBooks for $20

    You can get a service manual from CameraBooks, they sell for $20. They don't show details of the lens but more of the body which is all good ingo, some is missing but can be figured out or by asking. You can get exploded views and diagrams from Mamiya for almost anything and they still have most of the parts. Call their tech department at 914 347-3300 and they will fax the diagrams to you, you can also order the parts you need.

    These cameras are built like tanks and are easy to work on. Most parts are so large you can make your own by cutting up car fenders. MOst repairs on this camera are just adjustment or cleaning, hardly ever parts unless the camera was forced or physically damaged. they aren't as delicate as you might think but should not be pushed as that is how damage occurs.

    If you ever need to repair, just e-mail me I'd be glad to help.
     
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    It has finally arrived. I was up till 1:00AM playing with it and haven't broken it yet! It is everything I had hoped for. Couple of things have noticed so far- the mirror sometimes sticks in the open position. and the billows were slightly deformed. I think I have been able to correct the billows issue, by gently recreasing them and closing it up tight. But any idea about the mirror hanging? The other thing is the view screen is tore up pretty good I think I can get one on ebay though.
    WoooHoo...finally in the world of medium format! Test photos to come...not a threat. lol
     
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    Congratulations

    You'll have fun with your new toy. It's a wonderful machine and a work of art to look at.

    Be careful with the mirror. What is hanging that mirror may just be old sticky foam. You can replace that yourself one rainy afternoon. Get the self stick foam from MicroTools. An assorted pack is around $25 and has all the thicknesses you'll ever need. Get the USA stuff it's a better quality.

    Carefully scrape off the old foam with a dental pic. Go around the mirror and at the top of the mirror box, just under the view screen where you'll see a strip and 2 bumpers. One side is thicker than the other so you'll have to make up the difference by layering the foam. It is higher on one corner than the other by about 1mm. Cut the stuff with a razor or scalpel.

    Once you get the foam you will want to do all the backs. your old 35mm cameras and the neighbors' cameras and god only knows what other things you'll come up with, I did my enlargers too. Get a repair manual and do the internal seals as well?

    Good luck, be gentile with the 30 yr old Russian tank. It'll be around for many years to come with just a little care, we'll still be taking pictures of all those ddigital cameras and printers in the dumps 30 years form now.

    PS The bellows will straighten itself in time just by what you did. If they are not leaking light the wrinkel will not make any difference in the images.

    Good luck.. if you have any questions feel free to e-mail me directly at AUTOMAX1@JUNO.COM

    Paul, NYC