Kodak C-41 Developer LORR with BLIX & Stabilizer from JOBO Kit?

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  1. Jim Bennett

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    Some of you may have read about my mishap with ruined c-41 developer from the JOBO powder kit recently (I poured a bit of blix in the developer bottle.. oops :pouty:)

    I am wondering if I can just replace the developer? I am thinking about ordering the Kodak developer (linked below) to use with the existing blix and stabilizer from the JOBO powder kit that I still have left over.

    http://www.uniquephoto.com/index.cf...tegoryID/ad7b7c10-f5ad-4a08-93cb-270548914148

    I probably should just order a new C-41 kit, but is there any reason this wouldnt work? I am kind of considering going with all Kodak liquids at some point (researching still) but for now, I could get this developer for $14 rather than getting an entire new kit.

    thanks ! :wink:
     
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    C-41 is universal and no reason not to mix and match, note though that the powder mixes sometimes call for non standard chem temp (20-24C) and different times. In any case the blix stage does not care what developer you are using, and nor will the film, or your results.
     
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    Yes. This is EXACTLY what I use and have been using for the past year with good results. I use the developer one shot (sometimes twice for non-critical film or cross-processing). A few notes:
    - Check the color and expiration date of the concentrates when they arrive, as that particular merchant had been known to ship out-of-date stock. (To their credit, they've been excellent about replacements and returns.)
    - The kit has only three bottles, not four as pictured.
    - You should also get the C-41 starter (http://www.uniquephoto.com/product/kodak-c-41-dev-starter-lorr-1-2l-6601074/) as you'll notice that it's called for in the mixing instructions. Can't speak to what happens if you don't use it -- perhaps nothing (bad). But it does give you more working solution.

    If you decide you want Kodak bleach and fix, take a look at this:
    http://www.uniquephoto.com/product/...sing-unit-f2-for-color-negative-film-1173319/
    Use the bleach straight and mix the fixer 1+1 with water. It will give you one and two liters of those chemicals respectively.
     
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    I actually purchased the 20 liter C-41 developer (3 parts) and the Flexicolor SM bleach and fix kit and have awesome results. You do, however, have to get the "Mixing Smaller-Than-Package-Size Amounts of Kodak Chemicals" PDF supplied by Kodak... pretty easy. Awesome value and you have some to play with and "wase" without being sorry like you would with those super expensive kits. Temp for dev is 100F @ 3:15.

    http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/support/techPubs/cis49/cis49.pdf

    http://www.uniquephoto.com/product/kodak-c-41-entwickler-flxclr-devr-rplr-3667805/
     
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    Thanks much!
     
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    Thanks for the reply and the tip about the starter, I was wondering about that. Ahh and thank you for the other link to the bleach and fix, its kinda hard finding stuff on their website.

    Jim
     
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    thanks much!
     
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    Can the same be done for Kodak E6 chemicals, cheaply? Do they still make the E6 chems since they don't make the film? I call myself looking at this a while back but some of the chems were just outrageously expensive and in volumes that were way too much for home processing in small tanks. Perhaps I didn't look enough or in the right places. Also, whats the difference between starter and replenisher? I think I understand from context but do I need both?

    I found an old thread. I'll study it.

    http://www.apug.org/forums/forum40/83755-suggested-replacement-kodak-e6-kit.html
     
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    You can mix and match all C41 kits with each other and you can match all E6 kits as long as you follow the instructions for the particular solutions.

    HOWEVER, it must be said again and again ---- neither Kodak nor Fuji recommend a BLIX for color films. There is too much chance for silver retention in the dense dye areas of C41 and in the highlights and dense areas of E6 films.

    But, if it works for you, then use it.

    PE
     
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    I found the same thing you did, Lamar. Hefty prices and/or huge quantities. The E-6 kits all use a blix, which I'm happy to avoid. If you figure something out, let us know.
     
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    Ok, I'm hitting a wall.

    Just got my C41 Entwickler box and I'm confused because there are no volume markings on the bottles.

    A is the biggest bottle and I'm guessing it's 1600 ml, not an easy shape to do the math on.

    I did a bit of rough measuring on B&C
    B is the smallest bottle and holding about 400 ml
    C is is larger than B and holding about 600 ml

    Given the apparent volumes to make a liter of replenisher it should take about 870 ml water, 80 ml of A, 20 ml of B, and 30 ml of C.

    That is at odds with the CIS49 tech pub mixing instructions; LORR shows 80ml part A, 22.4 of B, 11.2 of C -or- 80ml part A, 11.2 of B, 11.2 of C

    What am I missing?

    Is there a different mixing sheet?

    Which replenishment rate is proper?
     
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    Isn't your developer the one labeled as "Developer Replenisher", rather than the ones labeled as LORR on CIS 49?
     
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    Yes Matt, Kodak Flexicolor Developer Replenisher, 3667805.

    The package's mixed volume doesn't match anything on the sheet, it makes 20 liters total.

    And the apparent volume of the package's parts don't match any recipe appropriately on the sheet.

    So, I'm still lost.

    I can simply measure the volumes and do the math but would prefer to not to expose the chemicals to air or the possibility of contamination.

    I can use the regular replenishment rate too but that's just a guess.
     
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    KODAK FLEXICOLOR LU Developer Replenisher LORR Cat 3667805 Spliting.

    To make 1 liter of working solution:
    start with 750 mls tempered water
    Part A ----- 75.2 mls
    Part B ----- 25 mls
    Part C ----- 37.84 mls
    top off to one liter

    With the LU developer you should use the LU replenishment rates.
    We are in the process of updating CIS49.

    Thank you for contacting Kodak alaris.
    Larry Fitzsimmons
    Kodak alaris Service & Support






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    Question: Can't find the info I need to mix the Kodak C-41 3667805 Replenisher in smaller than full batches or the proper replenishment rates. Found the CIS49 tech pub but nothing there makes sense for this kit. The bottles are nor marked as to the volume they contain so I can't do the math without exposing them to air and possible contamination. Can you direct me to the right tech pub? Should I use normal or LU replenishment rates? If nothing else can I get the volumes contained in the bottles so I can do the math myself? Thanks Mark
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