Kodak chemistry made by Tetenal?

Discussion in 'B&W: Film, Paper, Chemistry' started by Alessandro Serrao, May 16, 2012.

  1. Alessandro Serrao

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    Maybe they just buy their bottles from the same bottle-making company.
     
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    I noticed the same bottle type switch when Ilford changed their chemistry maker some time ago. Now we know Ilford chemistry is made by Tetenal too...
     
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    That's an assumption, isn't it? :wink:
     
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    With the costs of shipping these days not all a company's chemistry is is necessarily made in the same plant. Shipping water is costly !

    You could be reading too much into it as Old-N-Feeble says the days of bespoke packaging are over when costs need to be kept down.

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    Kodak (and others) may also be using different packagers in different locations.
     
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    I wouldn't say this is a smoking gun that proves Kodak chemicals are made by Tetenal. It's a bit like saying D-76 must be made by Ziploc since it's shipped in a plastic bag. I would simply say that Kodak needed to move to slimmer bottles so they could ship more in the same size box, and probably use less plastic in making them. A lot of companies have done this recently. If you can go from shipping 16 to 24 bottles in one box, you're saving money.

    The "old" bottles were fairly thick, and maybe with more modern plastics they don't need to be as thick to protect the chemicals. That is pure speculation.
     
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    The chemicals themselves aren't made by Tetenal - they are made by Champion, under license.

    Champion is one of the big creditors owed large amounts of money in the bankruptcy listing.
     
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    If you kept your ears to the ground, you would know the truth of the matter. Or, you would have dirt in your ears! Whichever.

    :D

    I have heard that Tetenal is supposedly making some Kodak chemicals. There are several here that might have the details.

    PE
     
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    Bingo!
    Thanks PE.
    :D
     
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    Okay, okay... :D

    All I was stating is that one can't assume by packaging alone. :wink:
     
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    The website even lists Kodak films. I wonder if this is for ALL films or color only? (the product photo appears to be of consumer 3 pack 35mm) The description is very brief.
     
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    Are Tetenal acting as a manufacturer, a distributor, or ????
     
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    * so *

    kodak is outsourced...

    the great yellow has sold-out...

    F 'em...

    no more yellow for me...

    and I regret buying yellow recently...

    as with other US companies they have NO BALLS!!
     
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    In North America, Kodak "outsourced" their chemical manufacturing a few years ago - to Champion.

    Champion started up in Ontario, Canada - moved to Rochester to handle the Kodak work - and has now moved to sites all around the world.
     
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    Matt;

    That story may be incomplete.

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    The photo chemistry division of May & Baker in the UK a highly respected company owned by Rhône-Poulenc merged with two Canadian companies a few years ago. M&B were specialists in colour chemistry and had been a major manufacturer of colour developing agents, they were also a drug manufacturer.

    The merged company trades under the Champion name becuse that was a;ready well known in the largest market - the US.

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    My guess is that some products sold in Europe are made in Europe. Or possibly shipped in Bulk and packaged in Europe. We recall the 500ml European HC-110 with the different dilution that caused some confusion a while back.

    Kodak has already outsourced the Chemical production and the contractor may have made arrangements with the distributor in Europe to simplify the supply chain. The package label is no doubt subject to various European Laws when the product is sold there, and so the package would need a different label for that market in any case.
     
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    I couldn't care less as long as I can have my Xtol. (And modern Portra and Flexicolor).
     
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    +1

    If you go to Walmart 100% of the non-food products is made without pride in the People's Republic of China.

    If you buy clothes at H+M they are not made in Sweden but by children in Bangladesh.

    If you buy a German Opel it's a GM with better engineering than a Pontiac, designed by engineers in Rüsselsheim, Germany, with lots of GM parts - and they will probably move production to Poland.

    That is not new:

    - Sears Roebuck cameras... the Sears TLS was a Ricoh Singlex TLS, the Sears SLII was a Ricoh Singlex aka "Nikon Nikkorex F" - and made by Mamiya :smile:

    - Many Rollei/Voigtländer SLR lenses labeled "Rolleinar" etc. were made by Mamiya, too.

    - On today's "Agfa" color films there are the three words "made in Japan", too.

    As long as a manufacturer does not lead his customers up the garden path, harms the environment, uses child labour etc. he has the right to say we live in a globalized world... and I don't give... well, see for yourself:

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